Google Play Services ruins dream of this. I've noticed that automotive digital keys don't work with Graphine OS due to how Google Wallet works.
If I had a car with that feature and no clear way to permanently disable it, I would take it back.
I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
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Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#172Google Play Services ruins dream of this. I've noticed that automotive digital keys don't work with Graphine OS due to how Google Wallet works.
Or most banks, government apps, and so on. Which all require an app to login, rather than support any open and actually secure standard.
Governments that require any particular device, OS, or 3rd-party platform have sold your citizenship to private interests.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#173Note that “I’m switching” here means “I’m now carrying two phones because I have to use Android.” FTA: > The no waydroid means that I can't access some apps that I need be it for online verification for logging onto bank and government services in Norway
Tell your government that selling your citizenship to foreign businesses is not OK.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#174Switching from Android style Linux HAL to FreeDesktop style Linux HAL… I honestly think we need more Linux HAL options than just those two, when one is threatening to self-destruct and the other is arguably the single worst interface design ever conceived, by all measurements.
Since AOSP is open source, is it possible to reuse the Android HAL?
That's what the Halium project does, but it would be better to have an equivalent, independent alternative.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#175Now that making apps is easy, and it's the apps and eco system etc that makes an OS take off and adopt, starting a new OS for phone like devices shouldn't be as big of a problem as it used to be. Given fair phone exists, it should now be able to get all kind of apps anyone wants.
Ever tried using Linux on real mobile hardware? Phosh and updates via Flatpak are unbearably slow. I have yet to see a way to try Plasma Mobile, etc or have much of a way to customize the filesystem and lower level services to make things better.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone looking at this should recognize that the hardware itself is nearly a decade old (and has performance of a mid-range Android from 11 or 12 years ago), the software is buggy and not fully baked (the version of Debian they JUST moved to has lost normal Debian Security team updates and maintenance has moved to the Debian LTS team) and the company has a history of extreme delays in shipping and customer service. P…
All valid points to consider. I'd like to add that I'm for one don't need the latest and greatest apps, don't run games so email, SMS, messaging, YouTube or Netflix are all that are needed in terms of compute.
I'm surprised even those things work for you considering how unbearably slow Phosh and Linux apps are on the Furiphone with much more modern everything.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#177I have Furiphone and F(x)tec devices. They ought to work well as mobile Linux devices, but they very much do not. They are unbearably slow, which I attribute to poor storage I/O optimization and Phosh being an obese sloth.
Both Furiphone and F(x)tec phones are Halium devices. They rely on Android layers underneath the GNU-like userspace. They don't really work as actual "mobile Linux" phones at all, so they're not a particularly good representation.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#178I have Furiphone and F(x)tec devices. They ought to work well as mobile Linux devices, but they very much do not. They are unbearably slow, which I attribute to poor storage I/O optimization and Phosh being an obese sloth.
Both Furiphone and F(x)tec phones are Halium devices. They rely on Android layers underneath the GNU-like userspace. They don't really work as actual "mobile Linux" phones at all, so they're not a particularly good representation.
I somehow doubt Halium explains the level of performance I've seen from them.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well AOSP doesn't run on a single phone on earth (not even the emulator) so you also have to take into account the reality of what Android is on the ground. AOSP doesn't even include a functional keyboard nor a proper call manager nowadays
But lineageos, grapheneos etc. are based on AOSP and do run on actual phones.
They had to put so much work to make it run on actual phones that each project is kind of it's own thing.
Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux
#180I really want to love mobile Linux, and have given it multiple shots before. But I just don't see how it will catch up with iOS/Android in the same way it caught up with Windows/Mac: - OEMs have poured an enormous amount of resources into the camera software, Linux cameras are years behind from what I understand. - Android/iOS have thoroughly optimized the UX in all sorts of subtle ways, the big one being their keybo…
I think Linux need another "Wine" moment, but for android/ios.