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Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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I do not recall ever hearing of an organized effort to ban ads. These days, good luck getting bipartisan agreement, especially with all the dark money in politics being legalized and normalized. That said... The modern internet is built off many free services paid for by people who buy stuff from ads. It is hard to imagine a world without ads - many sites and services would disappear. Hosting costs money. I could see…

> It is hard to imagine a world without ads - many sites and services would disappear. It is hard to imagine a world without horses & carts; many businesses would disappear.

Horses and carts didn't need to be banned to become obsolete.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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Oh give it a rest. You want to talk about killing a system... look at all the perverse incentives that pop up when companies are allowed to sell user attention instead of decent services and products. If the modern social media internet dies because of ad-blockers... good damn riddance.

The alternative is a class based internet where people with money have access to all the services and people without money get the smallest/worse resources. Everyone takes for granted, or is unaware, that the structure of the current internet is unbelievably progressive (money doesn't matter, attention does, and everyone has the same 24 hours of attention to sell), and yet here we are desperately trying to get away f…

> everyone has the same 24 hours of attention to sell

In general, I agree with what you wrote, but I think advertisers will value "attention" differently based on your purchasing power; not all ad views are equal.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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Oh give it a rest. You want to talk about killing a system... look at all the perverse incentives that pop up when companies are allowed to sell user attention instead of decent services and products. If the modern social media internet dies because of ad-blockers... good damn riddance.

The alternative is a class based internet where people with money have access to all the services and people without money get the smallest/worse resources. Everyone takes for granted, or is unaware, that the structure of the current internet is unbelievably progressive (money doesn't matter, attention does, and everyone has the same 24 hours of attention to sell), and yet here we are desperately trying to get away f…

The internet is already a class based internet. Why do you think SO many services want you to login, or force you to their mobile apps? They are curating your experience to be as extractive as possible, and if you're not worth much money, they absolutely ditch you, or "pivot" away from that user base.

Attention doesn't matter, attention that generates revenue for corporations does. If you think there's some egalitarian process happening here... you're misunderstanding how the incentives in this system play out.

And no - I don't think the 90s internet is coming back. To be frank, I don't give a flying fuck about your mom and whether she can use mIRC or not (or my mother, for that matter). I care about my kids, and the experiences they'll have with technology.

I think dropping my children into this ad-riddled, dopamine hijacking, carefully crafted to be exploitative technological environment is just a damn irresponsible thing to be doing. And if that means ad-blockers as a side effect... great.

Then I'll vote to burn that damn thing down every chance that's presented. I don't think people should be served up addictive experiences through always present devices to sell them shit they don't need with funding from ads. Full fucking stop. What a fucking dystopia you present as some progressive space. Blech... It's only progressive in the sense that everyone gets the same gruel of meaningless, unfulfilling content.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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The discussion around Ad blocking is, while definitely a needed discussion, is so rife with confusion, dishonesty and and self-serving ideology that we are going to kill the internet while being absolutely 100% sure that never giving compensation for value did not do any damage or play any part in making the internet suck.

There is no discussion. My computer, my rules: no harassment and psychological manipulation allowed no matter how much your business model relies on it.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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Oh give it a rest. You want to talk about killing a system... look at all the perverse incentives that pop up when companies are allowed to sell user attention instead of decent services and products. If the modern social media internet dies because of ad-blockers... good damn riddance.

The alternative is a class based internet where people with money have access to all the services and people without money get the smallest/worse resources. Everyone takes for granted, or is unaware, that the structure of the current internet is unbelievably progressive (money doesn't matter, attention does, and everyone has the same 24 hours of attention to sell), and yet here we are desperately trying to get away f…

> The only way we can have welfare is to siphon billions into tech monopolies by psychologically manipulating everyone into spending on crap they don't need. This is totally good for those not as well off.

Ok, buddy.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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I'm pushing back against the argument that the advertiser make money, ergo we are paying more than we 'should'. That's how businesses work. The shop makes money when you buy things, so surely the same argument should apply. Except it doesn't, because that is an acceptable business, so the argument isn't really an argument.

The advertiser loses money when you see ads. It makes money when you buy stuff, so it raises prices.

Or the advert increases sales, this paying for itself, and why the advertiser advertises in the first place.

Re: Online ad giant Adform was hacked, proving once again why ad blockers are needed

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A secure browser that loads an ad doesn't prevent you from being surveilled. Tor mitigates this to a large degree but doesn't entirely eliminate it. The only real solution is to block ads altogether. This is a silly distinction anyway. Blocking ads is an obvious first step to improving browser security.

Recommended by more than one US Federal three letter agency.

The greatest rec of all was seeing the NSA crying about tor in the Snowden docs. Doesn't get any better than that.
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