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Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by mullingitover »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #161
ihuk wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported an obvious sexual ad the other day and got a very AI generated response that started with "Dear Username" stating that they reviewed the ad and found nothing wrong with it.

Before I gave up on Facebook entirely, I reported an ad that was an explicit blow job and received a similar response and this was before AI was huge. I really don't think they've ever cared.

Facebook literally trolls you when you report criminal activity, rampant well-documented scams, on their site. They write back and tell you it's not violating their policy and ask if you want to support for your personal problem.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

randyrand wrote: post #159

Non-specific terms are a pet peeve of mine in accusations. Is this new term broader than the old term of CP or is it the same? Why did we even switch?

> Why did we even switch?

If I had to guess, this is to try and distance child sexual assault from the concept of "pornography", and maybe make it more abundantly clear that "child porn" is always, 100% of the time, sexual abuse.

I dunno, language evolves like this sometimes. Like "smoking" which is now called "tobacco use" or "cannabis use" to clarify more what is being smoked

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Post by bluefirebrand »

golemiprague wrote: post #129
collinmcnulty wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many industries, if you can't do something safely, you simply can't do it at all. Maybe yeah, if you can't build a sufficiently strong automated system, then you need human moderators across a huge number of locations. Them's the breaks for running a wildly profitable service that half the world's population uses.

Then let's not have any infrastructure or services because some people use it to commit crimes. The car industry doesn't prevent accidents, the telecom industry doesn't prevent scams, the school industry doesn't prevent bullying, the nightlife industry doesn't prevent rape or drug use and i can go on and on. You can't have a perfect system, people will do what they do, all you can do is trying to prevent those crimes…

> The car industry doesn't prevent accidents

The car industry is constantly innovating trying to prevent accidents and make them less damaging to occupants

> the school industry doesn't prevent bullying

They try to, though. There's all sorts of initiatives to reduce and prevent bullying. Whether or not they are effective, they are still trying and have been working on this for decades

> the nightlife industry doesn't prevent rape or drug use

There are tons of efforts in clubs and bars to make people aware of this problem and reduce occurrences of rapes. Drug use maybe less so.

> the telecom industry doesn't prevent scams

Yeah, they absolutely are shitting the bed on this one, I'll give you that. But they should be doing better.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

yndoendo wrote: post #153
burningChrome wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so true. When you have a billion users, you can literally lose hundreds of millions of users and it wouldn't make a dent. The only way is to get the government involved and regulate this and just keep hammering them with massive fines that really make a dent in their bottom line. For a lot of people, government regulation of this sort is not desirable, but at what point does someone need to drop the hammer to…

Something like three strikes and the CEO, top executives, and three primary share holders go to jail while forcing the company to dissolve seems to be the only solution to removing bad actors in corporate settings.

As long as we can also shoot tresspassers and thieves, you got a deal.

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Post by tadfisher »

yndoendo wrote: post #153
burningChrome wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so true. When you have a billion users, you can literally lose hundreds of millions of users and it wouldn't make a dent. The only way is to get the government involved and regulate this and just keep hammering them with massive fines that really make a dent in their bottom line. For a lot of people, government regulation of this sort is not desirable, but at what point does someone need to drop the hammer to…

Something like three strikes and the CEO, top executives, and three primary share holders go to jail while forcing the company to dissolve seems to be the only solution to removing bad actors in corporate settings.

Careful, I was called a "radical" on this site for suggesting a corporate death penalty. Because jobs are so important that when a corporation risks its own existence so it can break laws, dissolving the corporation as punishment is the government's fault and not the corporation's.

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Post by Aerroon »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #45

Somewhat related: open YouTube in an incognito window. Search something rather innocuous like "news". Click the first thing then go back to the main page. You have to watch through the ad. The amount of slop you will get suggested as soon as the algorithm warms up is nuts. The ad you are first served might also be slop. I mean AI generated video advertising overt bogus cures (a memorable one recently - "did you know…

>Search something rather innocuous like "news". Click the first thing then go back to the main page. You have to watch through the ad.

>The amount of slop you will get suggested as soon as the algorithm warms up is nuts. The ad you are first served might also be slop.

This did not happen for me. I got news about the SpaceX rocket and then more suggestions for news on the homepage, many related to politics.

I did notice that a bunch of the videos were in languages I did not understand though.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by callc »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #175
mplewis wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you don't think one of the world's biggest media platforms disseminating CSAM is causing meaningful harm to society?

Yes it's meaningful, and the fine amount should reflect that. But hypothetically, if it's (just throwing a random number out there) 1 image in 50 billion, and Facebook gets more benefit from the 50 billion good images than society loses from the 1 bad one, and society recovers its loss from Facebook via a fine, but the fine isn't big enough to make them change their behavior, how exactly is that a problem?

The problem is equating profitability with what societies want and don’t want.

Morality exists outside of the business world (and it should inside as well).

Further, it is a societies’ right to enforce the boundaries of what business are allow to do / not do.

For example: banning ads along roads and scenic areas.

Idk, the whole idea of “how much fines will I get doing X shitty business practice” is just gross. I’d rather see harsher enforcement to keep businesses on the straight and narrow more often than not.

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