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Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by ghaff »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #38
bigyabai wrote: post #12

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> None of those let a random person Hawk Tuah their way to reaching millions. I take it you didn't watch much daytime television? Or YouTube? X is not designed or moderated in a reputable, accountable or unbiased fashion - and neither was Twitter. X's ambition to be a "town square" is a solipsistic delusion that even Dorsey managed to avoid (despite all the mistakes he did make). 100 years worth of improvement isn't…

Daytime television was intermediated by tv producers. Youtube's algorithm prevents big channels (or even little channels) from saying scary words like "suicide" so they play games like saying "somebody un-alived" themselves. I'm surprised HN hates X so much as a cess-pool of wrong-think: that's what you get when you let people say anything to anybody. The great challenge that X has taken on is trying to surface the u…

It's not even about wrong-think. So many people I know just drifted away--or cut contact and nothing equivalent replaced it. It was a fairly important type of social media to me and many of the the people I knew/know but it really isn't anymore.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by drstewart »

dgellow wrote: post #24
762236 wrote: post #14

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It's wild to me how many replies are like this. I like X. HN, on the other hand is miserable, with censorship through down votes of unorthodox thinkers (PG would be completely down voted if he were to post here anonymously).

Ironically for you, the HN guidelines recommend to not complain about the voting system: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Now read the rest of those guidelines and then other comments in this thread.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by kypro »

jjcm wrote: post #41

There's a lot of negative about twitter here, especially related to timeline being shit. I'd like to give a different perspective - it's an algorithmic feed like anything else, it surfaces what you engage with. There are good niches on it. My feed is a mix of designers and AI engineers - not leaders, but people on the ground making things. There's definitely been weird things politically with it, but content wise it…

I want to echo this point. My X feed is not full of politics either. It tends to just be a mix of stuff I engage with, and I tend to engage with stuff I find interesting or funny.

Lots of economic and tech stuff, and some memes.

I often hear people say the same thing about the YouTube algorithm which also confuses me because the YouTube algorithm is amazing at surfacing a wide range of content I'd never had watched back in the subscription days.

I suspect most people who have a bad experience with these algorithms could have a much better experience if they didn't engage in low effort rage bait content.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by drstewart »

kypro wrote: post #46
interleave wrote: post #23

imho Nikita did a good job and I wish he stayed on. Twitter is 100% better now than a year ago. For one, I haven't gotten a single bullshit click-farm fake-ass sock-puppet follower in months. Secondly, I see very few low-effort reply guys lately, human or otherwise.

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Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by drstewart »

outside1234 wrote: post #45
rvz wrote: post #29

In 2022, Twitter / X was supposed to have completely shut down according to many doomsters at the time. It is clear that many in [0], [1] and [2] also would like to ask the same question why Twitter / X still hasn't shut down. Turns out almost 4 years later, we are going to waiting even longer for the collapse. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33984823 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34214903 [2] htt…

It has collapsed. It is just bots and racism that have collapsed it, not a technical failure. It has also collapsed on a business front. There are rumors that it has 1/10th the revenue that it did before.

>It has also collapsed

>There are rumors

Interesting methodology you use to make concrete assertions.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by saagarjha »

kypro wrote: post #46
interleave wrote: post #23

imho Nikita did a good job and I wish he stayed on. Twitter is 100% better now than a year ago. For one, I haven't gotten a single bullshit click-farm fake-ass sock-puppet follower in months. Secondly, I see very few low-effort reply guys lately, human or otherwise.

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"I don't see bots on Twitter anymore" "I keep seeing LLM content all the time" How is one of these a "lower effort opinion"?

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by browningstreet »

kypro wrote: post #53
jjcm wrote: post #41

There's a lot of negative about twitter here, especially related to timeline being shit. I'd like to give a different perspective - it's an algorithmic feed like anything else, it surfaces what you engage with. There are good niches on it. My feed is a mix of designers and AI engineers - not leaders, but people on the ground making things. There's definitely been weird things politically with it, but content wise it…

I want to echo this point. My X feed is not full of politics either. It tends to just be a mix of stuff I engage with, and I tend to engage with stuff I find interesting or funny. Lots of economic and tech stuff, and some memes. I often hear people say the same thing about the YouTube algorithm which also confuses me because the YouTube algorithm is amazing at surfacing a wide range of content I'd never had watched b…

I’m on X only for my business (AI, tech, startups) and stick to only my Following feed. But the second I accidentally click on the “For You” tab it’s a complete, utter, bot primed shit show.

That shit show us a direct result of Musk’s guidance and participation. Bier says he worked to eliminate bots, but the For You tab argues otherwise.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by blargey »

jjcm wrote: post #41

There's a lot of negative about twitter here, especially related to timeline being shit. I'd like to give a different perspective - it's an algorithmic feed like anything else, it surfaces what you engage with. There are good niches on it. My feed is a mix of designers and AI engineers - not leaders, but people on the ground making things. There's definitely been weird things politically with it, but content wise it…

Quite the opposite - the fact that the default assumption of "what you (will) engage with" is a radioactive dumpster fire that you need to fastidiously Mute / Block / Not Interested / Less Like This / Not Relevant through to eventually "train" the algorithm to give you a consistent window into "really isn't as bad X" - that's proof that the default/average content and experience is every bit as bad as people make it out to be.

And it tries to sneak back in - even outside personal experience, "my feed started getting too toxic again and I had to retrain it with [indiscriminately following/liking a bunch of] cute animal posts" is a weirdly common sentiment I hear from non-tech-literate users (who probably aren't leveraging "proper" signals enough to ever fully clean out their timeline like you or I might).

Every website's "impact" will always be defined by their "default path".

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by grishka »

jjcm wrote: post #41

There's a lot of negative about twitter here, especially related to timeline being shit. I'd like to give a different perspective - it's an algorithmic feed like anything else, it surfaces what you engage with. There are good niches on it. My feed is a mix of designers and AI engineers - not leaders, but people on the ground making things. There's definitely been weird things politically with it, but content wise it…

My issue is that you can't exclude yourself from the algorithm. You post something even tangentially political, it immediately pops up in the feeds of people that have no connections with you at all and have the extreme form of views opposite to yours. The only way to prevent your tweets from being recommended to random people is to lock your account, and that makes it pointless to reply to people who don't follow you or to like their tweets because they don't see anything you do.

I myself always use the "following" tab. So I would like to stay in my bubble, thank you very much.

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