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Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by thehamkercat »

radlad wrote: post #38
thehamkercat wrote: post #2

Why are companies slapping "OS" in their product naming? it's stupid

I think because the idea of an "agent operating system" is starting to feel more and more inevitable. Since I can use AI to: - Pull information from external sources - Transform and/or augment that information - Publish information I almost do not need a traditional OS anymore. This obviously isn't entirely true: I still use it to interact directly with humans, and it's the way I access my LLM. For now.

> I almost do not need a traditional OS anymore.

You sure about that?

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by ninglor »

Cool. The gadgets/blueprints paradigm reminds me of Smalltalk or Lisp environments in a way -- you're shipping a messy thing, a packaged version of your own personal, always-evolving environment.

Natural language wrapper around programming. Sandboxing and controlling external interactions to minimize the cost of mistakes. As I see it, the core idea here is facilitating habitability (in the Richard P Gabriel sense) via abstracting software development and distribution in a way that allows non-programmers to engage.

I'm not sure LLMs are quite there with results/$ to fully support a personal computing revolution here. I suspect useful blueprints will largely be wrappers or reimplementations of software that is still primarily created and distributed outside of this environment. But there's promise here, and it's cool.

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by palata »

kentonv wrote: post #192
hashstring wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t schedule tasks, doesn’t deal with physical memory, it doesn’t initialize hardware or interface with it on a low level. This is just an app that lives in user-space, nothing more. Calling this an OS is like calling Gmail an OS. It doesn’t make any sense. But since OSes are notoriously difficult to define [1], half of America added AI slop to diets that were already repulsive to begin with, regurgitates the…

> It doesn’t schedule tasks, It absolutely does. > doesn’t deal with physical memory, Well it sort of does. It allocates sandboxes and schedules apps in them. It handles loading code from storage and turning it into running programs with state. > it doesn’t initialize hardware or interface with it on a low level. Instead of devices it manages interfacing with external services (Gatekeepers are like drivers). I didn't…

I would have suggested CloudStorm :-).

Or "COSIOS": CloudflareOS Is Not an OS.

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by kyle-rb »

fnoef wrote: post #24

"OS for work" - like, what does it mean? OS is operating system, it runs on a hardware and provides you to operate the system. I hate when companies destroy the English language with vibe invented terms.

It's AI-native Microsoft SharePoint

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by arandomhuman »

tkel wrote: post #85
radlad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think because the idea of an "agent operating system" is starting to feel more and more inevitable. Since I can use AI to: - Pull information from external sources - Transform and/or augment that information - Publish information I almost do not need a traditional OS anymore. This obviously isn't entirely true: I still use it to interact directly with humans, and it's the way I access my LLM. For now.

Does your LLM have hardware drivers in it? this is silly.

This is really approaching peak AI psychosis

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by reaperducer »

dofm wrote: post #193
reaperducer wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's spelled "lede" so as not to be confused with "lead," as in the metal with which was used to print newspapers. Since "lead" (as in beginning of a story) and "lead" (as in metal) were frequently used in print newsrooms, the spelling of one changed over time to reduce confusion. There were a number of other language convolutions in newsrooms, such as "slug" which meant a piece of hot metal, and so was useful for de…

“TK” meaning “to come” is another one. “More TK” in particular is now a blogger affectation but it seems to have been a way to communicate to an editor that a story was so far incomplete, within the text of a submission, without the editor assuming the words “to come” were part of the story. And elsewhere it indicates a placeholder that needs a fact to be confirmed and filled in before publication.

it seems to have been a way to communicate to an editor that a story was so far incomplete

When the story was complete, the notification varied from newspaper to newspaper, but very often they followed the AP's convention of writing "-30-" which I have always believed was something the AP print wire actually (and surprisingly) adopted from the broadcast side, because broadcast stories were ideally 30 seconds long.

Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work

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Post by tavavex »

kentonv wrote: post #192
hashstring wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t schedule tasks, doesn’t deal with physical memory, it doesn’t initialize hardware or interface with it on a low level. This is just an app that lives in user-space, nothing more. Calling this an OS is like calling Gmail an OS. It doesn’t make any sense. But since OSes are notoriously difficult to define [1], half of America added AI slop to diets that were already repulsive to begin with, regurgitates the…

> It doesn’t schedule tasks, It absolutely does. > doesn’t deal with physical memory, Well it sort of does. It allocates sandboxes and schedules apps in them. It handles loading code from storage and turning it into running programs with state. > it doesn’t initialize hardware or interface with it on a low level. Instead of devices it manages interfacing with external services (Gatekeepers are like drivers). I didn't…

> Instead of devices it manages interfacing with external services (Gatekeepers are like drivers).

This required stretching the terminology so much that now, by your definition, any software that interfaces with anything else in a restricted/controlled manner is OS-like because that's just like interfacing with hardware.

I get why they chose the word - this is marketing, they want to make it appear foundational, as a cornerstone of every interaction you do. But I don't think it's a fair comparison - the OS is the lowest level layer of any computer (barring firmware and the likes) and it manages nearly everything that happens between the user and the computer, the OS is mandatory to use the computer and it runs basically everything. This is just an app - a very sophisticated app that manages other things, but still just a layer over existing systems. If they get to call this an OS, then maybe Microsoft could call the bundle of their Office suite and all the enterprise software an OS too, I'm sure there's enough functionality, depth, features and app-driven oversight over data for it to qualify.

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