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Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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it is still a sign that things aren't going well there

It's a negative product line, even half is still negative. People really need to start being grateful while whoring free services....

You should be grateful to life, your family, your faith, God if you believe.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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For what it's worth, I am a user of this and I'd like to clear up one thing that is not obvious here: There are actually two tiers of Free here that Oracle offers. Always Free - No credit card required, sign up. This is what the new limit applies to PAYG - You give a credit card, but like AWS and GCP there is a "free" tier for people who are on pay as you go plans. From what I can tell, the PAYG subscribers are not s…

They'll clean up instances that aren't doing enough for them to notice, even -- I used to run an XMPP server on one, used daily but not with many users, and they kept shutting it down at random multi-day intervals with little warning. Stopped using it.

They state that here and it's been stated there in the several years I've run Always Free VM's there: https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier...

Some people say that doesn't apply to PAYG users, I do not know about that for sure, I am a PAYG user since 2021 and have not experienced any reclamation issues.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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For what it's worth, I am a user of this and I'd like to clear up one thing that is not obvious here: There are actually two tiers of Free here that Oracle offers. Always Free - No credit card required, sign up. This is what the new limit applies to PAYG - You give a credit card, but like AWS and GCP there is a "free" tier for people who are on pay as you go plans. From what I can tell, the PAYG subscribers are not s…

They'll clean up instances that aren't doing enough for them to notice, even -- I used to run an XMPP server on one, used daily but not with many users, and they kept shutting it down at random multi-day intervals with little warning. Stopped using it.

I use mine as a reverse proxy for accessing my home plex via tailscale and a few other small purposes. Noticed they would turn it off at random too. Setup a script to SSH into it every 5 minutes and that stopped it - it's been up for a couple years now.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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You pay in other ways. You’ll spend hours upon hours trying to get a free spot. And like anything free it’s full of spam. Your free server will likely have a blacklisted ip address. Oracle is exceptionally frustrating to use in the first place. Pay the 5$ a month and use AWS or Digital Ocean

Also apparently they will randomly terminate your instances if they think you’re not using them enough. Or if you’re using them too much. Can’t tell, it’s not transparent.

Also, their control plane is so poorly designed, it makes AWS Console feel like good UX.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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> Were you expecting a massive evil corporation to keep spending $50 every month on you forever? When they offer something "always"... yes? Are "always" and "forever" not synonyms? I'm not arguing about the economics or motivation, just pointing out that simple language says that they lied.

In Canada we have a grocery chain called Superstore that posts many products as "Always $x.xx" but the prices have continually been increased over the years. I wouldn't call it a lie but it sure feels dirty and unethical. They used to use the president of the family corporation in all their ads too, but don't anymore and that's probably because he knows they're in the wrong on this and many other things (like the pri…

Ah, my favorite exception to fraud: Puffery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery

If everyone knows it's a lie... well then I guess it's not a lie anymore, is it?

I kind of understand why the law takes this position. If you really think about it's hard to imagine how to truly fix this. But it still feels pretty dirty.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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For what it's worth, I am a user of this and I'd like to clear up one thing that is not obvious here: There are actually two tiers of Free here that Oracle offers. Always Free - No credit card required, sign up. This is what the new limit applies to PAYG - You give a credit card, but like AWS and GCP there is a "free" tier for people who are on pay as you go plans. From what I can tell, the PAYG subscribers are not s…

> Always Free - No credit card required, sign up. This is what the new limit applies to I don't think this is true. I just tried to sign up and it says ---- Payment/Identity Verification - You will not be charged You won’t be charged for using OCI Free Tier. If you choose to upgrade your account to Paid tier, you will only be charged for services used over your Always Free limits. If you don’t upgrade your account to…

Need to sell your info to data brokers

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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> Always Free - No credit card required, sign up. This is what the new limit applies to I don't think this is true. I just tried to sign up and it says ---- Payment/Identity Verification - You will not be charged You won’t be charged for using OCI Free Tier. If you choose to upgrade your account to Paid tier, you will only be charged for services used over your Always Free limits. If you don’t upgrade your account to…

Need to sell your info to data brokers

The amount of abuse of free VMs must be absolutely immense even with credit card verification. I’m not sure there needs to be additional secret motives.

Re: Oracle cut its Always Free ARM limits to 2 OCPU / 12GB, enforced Aug 18

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You pay in other ways. You’ll spend hours upon hours trying to get a free spot. And like anything free it’s full of spam. Your free server will likely have a blacklisted ip address. Oracle is exceptionally frustrating to use in the first place. Pay the 5$ a month and use AWS or Digital Ocean

Also apparently they will randomly terminate your instances if they think you’re not using them enough. Or if you’re using them too much. Can’t tell, it’s not transparent. Also, their control plane is so poorly designed, it makes AWS Console feel like good UX.

In my situation they ended up randomly closing my account a week or so after it was setup. I'd tried a few times to get an instance, and failed. Then my login suddenly didn't work and their all so helpful customer support was 'yes your account has been closed' 'why' 'we can't tell you that.'

That was after my card and everything was already setup with the company. Oracle's reputation is 100% deserved.

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