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Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by macintux »

pstuart wrote: post #109
macintux wrote: post #62

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> Question: if the news reports something you don't like, is it fake? One of Trump’s many talents is corrupting language. The phrase “fake news” was originally used to criticize his many outright lies about what was going on in the world during his first run for office, but he managed to change the meaning to “anything that doesn’t show him in the best possible light”. He’s remarkably adept at demagoguery.

I think he's an idiot savant in this regard (and others). When he claimed he could shoot somebody on 5th Ave and not lose a vote I remember the collective shock (including my own), but he proved to be prescient in this regard. Hate speech towards democrats has been going on for decades and has primed that segment of the population to consider the left as to effectively be sub-human. Couple this with the fact that the…

I've run for office (as a placeholder) as a Libertarian. I've voted Republican at times, although I definitely lean liberal.

I'll never vote Republican again, at least not until the party faces down its demons and returns to some semblance of sanity.

Trump could have easily subverted the Democratic party instead of Republican, and if the Dems had gone down the same path, I'd be saying the same thing about them.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by pstuart »

macintux wrote: post #111
pstuart wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's an idiot savant in this regard (and others). When he claimed he could shoot somebody on 5th Ave and not lose a vote I remember the collective shock (including my own), but he proved to be prescient in this regard. Hate speech towards democrats has been going on for decades and has primed that segment of the population to consider the left as to effectively be sub-human. Couple this with the fact that the…

I've run for office (as a placeholder) as a Libertarian. I've voted Republican at times, although I definitely lean liberal. I'll never vote Republican again, at least not until the party faces down its demons and returns to some semblance of sanity. Trump could have easily subverted the Democratic party instead of Republican, and if the Dems had gone down the same path, I'd be saying the same thing about them.

I left the Democratic party in disgust at the turn of the century. I vote blue because a 2-party system forces me to, but I have no respect for Dem leadership.

I don't think Trump could have done the same thing in the Democratic party: he leveraged decades of hate speech and Fox news that created an electorate driven by hate and anger and he saw the opportunity and took it (noting he could shoot somebody on 5th Ave and not lose a vote)

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by goatlover »

mothballed wrote: post #58
Spooky23 wrote: post #15

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In a nearby suburban town, the GOP Chair forced a referendum on a road project. New York has a complete streets program where bike lanes and pedestrian friendly crossings are included in most projects. Iirc 4-5 people have died crossing this road. The call to action was that “those people” would use the bike lanes to leave the city, connect to the Democrat bike trail and rape, murder and rob the townsfolk. Old fearfu…

I think there's a good faith possibility here that the taxpayers just don't see themselves biking to "the hood" rather than some sinister plan against black people. I mean I wouldn't vote for a bike route to the white trash trailer park, not because I hate them but because there is no reason for me to bike there whereas I might bike to a nice gentrified district for some drinks. I would reframe most things more in te…

Maybe the "the hood" and "trailer park" people would alo like to be able to bike to other places in town, because they live there too?

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

idontwantthis wrote: post #76
aendruk wrote: post #73

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Just last week in Texas: The driver, identified as 31-year-old Charles Medina, then sped past the couple from behind. Rapp’s boyfriend responded to the maneuver by raising his hands and yelling, at which point Medina slammed his brakes, skidded to a stop and accelerated in reverse. Medina ultimately hit Rapp so forcefully that his “rear windshield was shattered completely”. He also allegedly left skidmarks from havin…

This one 5 years ago - https://www.thedrive.com/news/43060/coal-rolling-teen-that-h... I couldn't find out if he ever got convicted or sentenced to anything. But any cyclist, including myself, can tell you that there are people out there with murder in their hearts who want you to die just for the crime of delaying them by a few seconds.

This also includes cyclists. (I drive and cycle, and see all the combinations)

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by xnx »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #114
idontwantthis wrote: post #76

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This one 5 years ago - https://www.thedrive.com/news/43060/coal-rolling-teen-that-h... I couldn't find out if he ever got convicted or sentenced to anything. But any cyclist, including myself, can tell you that there are people out there with murder in their hearts who want you to die just for the crime of delaying them by a few seconds.

This also includes cyclists. (I drive and cycle, and see all the combinations)

The big difference between drivers and cyclists with murder in their hearts is that drivers have the means to do so and often do through negligence or even -as described- with intent.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

xnx wrote: post #115
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #114

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This also includes cyclists. (I drive and cycle, and see all the combinations)

The big difference between drivers and cyclists with murder in their hearts is that drivers have the means to do so and often do through negligence or even -as described- with intent.

YEs, absolutely, there is a big difference. My point was rather that both drivers and cyclists can be assholes (with different outcomes)

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

pandaman wrote: post #103
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #101

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You don't see cyclists because they don't have to wait in traffic as much, and because there's essentially no safe road for them to travel on. Bike theft is not why people don't cycle, from my experience, it's because they're right next to cars going 35+ miles per hour that would maim them if they got hit, even plastic bollards are enough to get drivers to stop riding so close to the bike lane, which makes cyclists f…

> You don't see cyclists .... Glad we agree on this, the reasons you imagined could be true or false, the main point is that drivers are going to be affected by the bike lanes significantly more than by cyclists. > Bike theft is not why people don't cycle It is in my experience. E.g. I don't bike to work because the office building requires bikes to be stored in the shared storage room and I don't want it to be stole…

Could you please read my message in good faith and not intentionally quote me out of context, then ignore everything I had to say? It's rather impolite, and if you did that to someone in person, they'd probably be rather upset with you.

I think drivers are catered to in almost every single scenario in the United States to the point that giving cyclists any space, any infrastructure, or anything that is not also usable by cars is almost unthinkable. With that in mind, yes, drivers will be inconvenienced. Oh well. They're convenienced at almost every turn in almost every decision about transportation, let's give bikes a chance too.

You have a bike trail? Lucky! I live in central NJ, while bike trails do exist in the western part of the state, where people live here, they basically don't exist and you have to just ride in the street. Almost no offices even have a storage room, so you'd be chaining your bike to a sign, most likely, or storing it behind the building somewhere. You have it better than we do here...clearly, there's a lot more work to be done.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by pandaman »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #117
pandaman wrote: post #103

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> You don't see cyclists .... Glad we agree on this, the reasons you imagined could be true or false, the main point is that drivers are going to be affected by the bike lanes significantly more than by cyclists. > Bike theft is not why people don't cycle It is in my experience. E.g. I don't bike to work because the office building requires bikes to be stored in the shared storage room and I don't want it to be stole…

Could you please read my message in good faith and not intentionally quote me out of context, then ignore everything I had to say? It's rather impolite, and if you did that to someone in person, they'd probably be rather upset with you. I think drivers are catered to in almost every single scenario in the United States to the point that giving cyclists any space, any infrastructure, or anything that is not also usabl…

I am sorry, what you wrote looked like you agree that there are few cyclists and you just added your idea why is it so. Did you actually want to say that there are many cyclists on the streets but they are, apparently, invisible? Well, you are entitled to believe this, I took the most charitable interpretation of what you said because attributing the belief in masses of invisible cyclists to someone would paint them completely nuts in my view.

>I think drivers are catered to in almost every single scenario in the United States to the point that giving cyclists any space, any infrastructure, or anything that is not also usable by cars is almost unthinkable.

Yet it's reality in many cities in the US - tons of bike lanes, unusable by cars. You can bring up bike lanes on google maps, show me a city without those.

>Almost no offices even have a storage room, so you'd be chaining your bike to a sign, most likely, or storing it behind the building somewhere.

And yet, the bikes don't get stolen? Not even parts like wheels, saddles, lights etc? Lucky!

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

pandaman wrote: post #119
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please read my message in good faith and not intentionally quote me out of context, then ignore everything I had to say? It's rather impolite, and if you did that to someone in person, they'd probably be rather upset with you. I think drivers are catered to in almost every single scenario in the United States to the point that giving cyclists any space, any infrastructure, or anything that is not also usabl…

I am sorry, what you wrote looked like you agree that there are few cyclists and you just added your idea why is it so. Did you actually want to say that there are many cyclists on the streets but they are, apparently, invisible? Well, you are entitled to believe this, I took the most charitable interpretation of what you said because attributing the belief in masses of invisible cyclists to someone would paint them…

You don't see the cyclists because they pass right by - they're only in a particular bike lane that you happen to be next to for a very short time, they don't usually need to stop, and yes, obviously there are fewer cyclists than drivers because cycling in the US is unsafe.

People don't bike here because they can't. I don't live in a city, I live in one of the many dense suburbs (which are denser than many cities in the US) of NJ, where there's lots of roads, and almost no bike lanes. Where biking does happen, they bike in the street, with no shoulder, and hope not to get hit by cars.

The bikes aren't stolen because there are no bikes, because you'd have to have a deathwish to try biking in the road with cars in the same lane as them.

It's the densest state in the union, and the only places you can bike are Newark, Hudson County, New Brunswick, Trenton, Atlantic City, Camden, the barrier islands, and the boardwalks. The other 99% of the state, you're putting your life on the line.

It's about safety. Would you feel safe biking in those lanes? Would you feel more or less safe biking where there are none?

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