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The site itself is really leaning into the “made with Fable” aesthetic

Why are people so sour about this?? I can read the site easily, its clear, performs well on mobile, what else do you want? Why is so offensive to people that models trained on tailwind or whatever?

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#82

National Labs in the US have been doing this for a while now. I feel like the private sector will take the lead soon.

Why? Science is wildly unprofitable on the scale of an individual private firm.

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Yeah what these guys are mainly known for is vaporware

> we have pioneered massive scale computing and led the creation of critical infrastructure, products, and foundational AI advances that the world relies on, including multiple generations of Google Search, Google Ads, Google News, Google Translate, Google File System, MapReduce, BigTable, Spanner, TensorFlow, Pathways, TPUs, AlphaChip, AlphaStar, AlphaCode, AlphaFold, Gemini, model distillation, mixture-of-experts model architectures, word2vec, sequence-to-sequence models, chain of thought reasoning, neural architecture search, and multiple generations of Large Language Models (LLMs) among others.

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#85

From Jeff's twitter post: > Our general approach is to automate the experimental loop. We think this approach is broadly applicable across many different fields of science and engineering. We’ll initially focus on ML research and engineering, but believe the approach can help with important subproblems in nearly every one of the fourteen NAE Grand Challenge problems. We think doing this well requires strong expertise…

Sandbox 2.0

But also, solar power is already economical.

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#86
This is one of the interesting aspects the 'AI job loss' community doesn't account for. As the technology unlocks things, more startups are created. And even at a lower nominal engineer-to-work ratio, overall demand for talent still goes up. Ultimately, we are not a single group trying to achieve a common outcome, we are a collection of many groups trying to compete against each other.

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#87
How do you automate experimentation?

Doubtlessly, AI can iterate at superhuman speeds in the domains of thought and design: Software, mathematical proofs, literature search.

But in the realm of experiment? Alas it is the lack of a body that constrains it.

Rather than transcendence what AI requires is immanence. In the human flesh may we find the godhead living among men. Let the laboratories, warehouses, and factories fill with the sound of its labor, as it builds a wall with a million hands that are not its own.

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

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#88
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The problem is all these new labs don't have any competitive advanatge amongst each other, talent can only take one so far, though Jeff is a legend no doubt. Models are commodities the applications eg. BaseTen, OpenRouter should capture the value. https://taikhooms.substack.com/p/why-openrouter-can-be-the-n...

Model routers - send all of your data through a third party who totally swears not to peek at it. If youre doing anything high value (advanced research, classified work, high value industrial research, health data) then sending your data through a third party like that is insane.

FHE

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#89
I wish them well, but this firm will likely fail miserably. The reason is that the value is in having access to real world hardware platforms that AI can control, not in the harness that controls them. There exist plenty of harnesses already. These people couldn't even get Google to build a top LLM. Before you dismiss and downvote, I dare you to counter it.

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#90

I'm skeptical of any Engineering loop that doesn't include reality (as in touch grass) feedback. Pure logic and reasoning is the domain of Maths and Science (philosophy). Surely it will work, but it will not "be able to solve any learning loop".

I'm almost certain the goal of this startup is to make physical automated research labs guided by RL
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