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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by estearum »

ericmay wrote: post #717
estearum wrote: post #641

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US Marine talking about Ukraine: “I just think that foreign fighters came here and got a war… a type of warfare that they didn’t expect,” he said. “Especially American foreign fighters. It’s not Afghanistan. It’s not Iraq. You’re taking the side of Vietnam versus the U.S. over here. You are the underdog, and with no air superiority or anything. And so they just assume they were being used as cannon fodder. But that’s…

Circling back to where this began... > The claim above is that neither side has experience that's all that relevant to the type of conflict we'd expect in a China/US conflict. This is a factually incorrect statement. I'm not sure why you're confused about what you are agreeing or disagreeing with at this point.

Clearly that tickled a nerve for some reason.

Here's a question:

When someone says that you have no experience being a professional baseball player, do you say "errrhhmm ackshually, I brush my teeth every morning just like an MLB player does. I put on my pants every morning. I have even held a baseball bat!"

Obviously a phrase like of "limited relevant experience" is constrained to a semantically meaningful set of things

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Post by estearum »

ericmay wrote: post #716
estearum wrote: post #639

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> They didn't have more combat experience than Ukraine though Uh yes they did > never mind the additional problems that the Russian military faced at the time of the invasion which are too numerous to list here but include corruption, lack of equipment, a lack of understanding of the will of the Ukrainian people, and more. In other words, there are other relevant variables than just combat experience...? > You're jus…

> Uh yes they did Not really > In other words, there are other relevant variables than just combat experience...? Yes? Nobody argued otherwise. > "We're actively learning lessons in Ukraine" → Yet somehow our Patriot batteries were taken offline by Shaheds lmao. Learning a lesson second-hand is different than learning a lesson first-hand. The fact that Iran was able to perhaps attack some equipment or position shows…

Why would I, or anyone else, ask questions of someone who authoritatively makes claims like "combined arms is when multiple branches work together" lol

It's clear you're quite emotionally wrapped up in this topic for some reason.

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Post by yencabulator »

theshrike79 wrote: post #699
renegade-otter wrote: post #500

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They do, but the current leadership does not have any appetite for entering Iran's airspace after the last downing drama. If Iran captures a pilot, there is going to be no more room for market manipulation.

Where and who is the pilot who crashed btw?

I doubt the identity of the pilot & WSO will be released -- why would it -- at least not until they retire and write a book about it and out themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_F-15E_rescu...

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Post by panzagl »

mrguyorama wrote: post #634
panzagl wrote: post #332

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This should be higher, the Army never had a lot of ATACMs to begin with as launching missiles at things is not really their job. Doesn't make the points about this administration not having a real plan invalid though...

>Army never had a lot of ATACMs to begin with as launching missiles at things is not really their job It's called the Army tactical missile system FFS. It was literally built for them. It's rocket artillery ! We built only 3500 of the missiles total. We stopped investing in rocket artillery because they get very close to IRBMs, and those were banned until recently. The Marines had some, but not anymore (IIRC). Other…

I'd put the emphasis on Tactical- 3500 is not a lot of a tactical weapon, but that's because there are not a lot of tactical targets worth launching a missile at. The fact that they're being used at all just shows what a cluster the entire operation is.

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Post by asdfman123 »

elendilm wrote: post #703
asdfman123 wrote: post #686

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I would have gone all out on the biggest military power in the world too, if only I were the one calling the shots

Just the expensive military in the word. There. Fixed it for you. What was the article about. Oh yeah, "all of its long-range precision missiles" gone. Iran claims they only used their old stock till now. Not looking so good for your "expensive military". So yeah. Judging by the current state, I would have gone all out against the "paper tiger" military whose bases in the middle east have been destroyed as we speak u…

Sure buddy

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Post by ericmay »

estearum wrote: post #722
ericmay wrote: post #716

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> Uh yes they did Not really > In other words, there are other relevant variables than just combat experience...? Yes? Nobody argued otherwise. > "We're actively learning lessons in Ukraine" → Yet somehow our Patriot batteries were taken offline by Shaheds lmao. Learning a lesson second-hand is different than learning a lesson first-hand. The fact that Iran was able to perhaps attack some equipment or position shows…

Why would I, or anyone else, ask questions of someone who authoritatively makes claims like "combined arms is when multiple branches work together" lol It's clear you're quite emotionally wrapped up in this topic for some reason.

Well you still don't seem to understand this general topic haha so ask away!

In the US at least and western militaries as far as I'm aware, combined arms operations are coordinated between branches. The Air Force doesn't have infantry, they call the Army to coordinate and so on. That coordination and ability to execute is extremely important. Trying to suggest that what I wrote wasn't correct is being needlessly argumentative and is a poor reflection on your ability to discuss this issue.

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Post by ericmay »

estearum wrote: post #721
ericmay wrote: post #717

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Circling back to where this began... > The claim above is that neither side has experience that's all that relevant to the type of conflict we'd expect in a China/US conflict. This is a factually incorrect statement. I'm not sure why you're confused about what you are agreeing or disagreeing with at this point.

Clearly that tickled a nerve for some reason. Here's a question: When someone says that you have no experience being a professional baseball player, do you say "errrhhmm ackshually, I brush my teeth every morning just like an MLB player does. I put on my pants every morning. I have even held a baseball bat!" Obviously a phrase like of "limited relevant experience" is constrained to a semantically meaningful set of th…

> When someone says that you have no experience being a professional baseball player, do you say "errrhhmm ackshually, I brush my teeth every morning just like an MLB player does. I put on my pants every morning. I have even held a baseball bat!"

This doesn't make any sense. I've already explained to you the value of combined arms operations and combat experience. Here's a link for you to read through to help improve your understanding: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49174680

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Post by tharmas »

lossolo wrote: post #234
tharmas wrote: post #215

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What about TSMC?

What about it? TSMC now has fabs on U.S. soil. Intel and Samsung also have fabs and are working on processes that compete with TSMC's, even if their yields may be somewhat lower. Washington will have to decide whether the U.S. is willing to pay slightly more and rely on domestic Intel, Samsung, and TSMC fabs, or risk a military defeat and potentially millions of American lives if the situation escalates to interconti…

>TSMC now has fabs on U.S. soil.

It will take years to get to the level of skill TSMC in Taiwan has.

I don't think Washington should spend money and lives on defending Taiwan. My point is that TSMC is a very valuable manufacturer of chips so it will be a big loss in skill and technology for the "West".

Ultimately the destiny of Taiwan should be whatever the people of Taiwan wish but alas the world does not work that way.

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Post by tomhow »

elendilm wrote: post #702
tomhow wrote: post #693

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> Source - trust me bro Please don't post snark on HN, no matter how right you are or feel you are. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Don't try to police speech. You are saying someone says "a unicorn drank water from my home" and we should just accept it. No thanks. How about you find a better job than policing speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech Do you wear the police uniform as well while you are about it.

Excuse me, this isn’t policing speech, this is asking you not to act like a jerk. There’s an important difference. It’s not just about being respectful to others, it’s about bothering to make solid arguments yourself. If you can’t make your point without demeaning other people, you probably don’t have a good point at all.

We want this to be a place where difficult topics can be discussed and all points of view can be expressed, and we work hard to keep it that way. If you’re not interested in bothering making your points thoughtfully, there’s the whole rest of the internet for you to explore.

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Post by SR2Z »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #659
SR2Z wrote: post #609

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> this is pure propaganda and is completely false statement, not grounded in reality. US has no problem protecting despotic autocracies like the Pinochet's junta in Chile or Saudi Arabian theocratic monarchy (a birthplace of islamic wahhabism). No, it is not false. Geopolitics is about lesser evils and raw needs, not perfect ideological consistency. Any country stupid enough to care about that would not last very lon…

Quick guess without looking it up: for how many decades were we protecting liberal democracy in Korea and Taiwan before they had their first free elections?

Is the PRC a liberal democracy now? Is North Korea?

I am fully aware that SK and Taiwan were ruled brutally for many years. It doesn't change my statement.

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