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Universities would prefer no AI

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Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

Alpha School is a decent counterpoint to this.

Of course, it's a highly selected group of students. I very much doubt it's scalable in the way one would hope.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

> with pen and paper level of technology definitely try out: galaxy s9 ultra tab (wacom! edit: also, 14.6 inch: bigger than any ipad series) + LAMY s-pen + paper-feel screen protector (and optionally felt-tip nibs) miles better than MPP or AES or other crap: those can't draw diagonal lines without wobbling, thought I was getting parkinsons

I had iPads and Apple Pencils - but nothing beats the pleasure of ink pen on paper.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #12
post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung. The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one. The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

This is the most profound comment I’ve ever read on this website. How do we do push the culture in a direction such that productive intellectual pursuits will actually be intrinsically desirable in the AI era?

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #20
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung. The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one. The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

LLMs are like anabolic steroids for the brain. Surely you can do more with them, but you are better without them. Access to them should be restricted, especially for untrained minds.

That’s a bad analogy, you still have to put all the effort yourself at the gym while on steroids.

Perhaps LLMs are a forklift.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #12
post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung. The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one. The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

To go with the gym analogy, thus far it would seem that using AI to help study seems to be working out about as well as the Enhanced Games did.

Before we get ahead of ourselves and hype up AI as a tool for making people smarter, let’s first demonstrate that AI really does help them learn better. Otherwise we risk wasting a lot of time and money on silicon snake oil.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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For people who teach through writing, there are great tools out there like MATCHA: https://matchawriter.com. It's a secure writing environment that verifies authorship by recording the full writing process and, when needed, can restrict copy-paste, automation, and access to other applications.

In my opinion, most of Academia's pains are wholly self-inflicted.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

The definition of mastery in your comment sounds like nonreliance on technology to accomplish [something]. Technologyless Mastery was a natural result from: reliance and overreliance on technology being stuttery, unpredictable, inadventitious and costly.

In other words, it made more sense to 'frontload' hardthought and pondering so one was prepared [for whatever may come].

People also thought aqueducts were the best way to move water for thousands of years.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #23
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung. The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one. The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

This is the most profound comment I’ve ever read on this website. How do we do push the culture in a direction such that productive intellectual pursuits will actually be intrinsically desirable in the AI era?

> "It's easier to get and raise a child

> Than to put character in him. No one

> Has ever found a way to make a fool

> Wise or a bad man good. If god had taught

> This to the children of Asclepius—

> How to cure badness or a muddled brain—

> What handsome fees they'd earn!"

That was Theogenis from the 6th century BC. I don’t think we’re any closer today than they were back then.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #24
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are like anabolic steroids for the brain. Surely you can do more with them, but you are better without them. Access to them should be restricted, especially for untrained minds.

That’s a bad analogy, you still have to put all the effort yourself at the gym while on steroids. Perhaps LLMs are a forklift.

Ha! Steroids give you muscle mass without lifting, believe it or not. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

Of course, side effects are a different story.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

#30
This author has a ton of axes to grind and a poor grasp of computing history or how industry works. Pretending like it’s strange or even bad that industrial datacenter builders with tens of billions of leveraged capital can outbuild the GPU capacity of chronically underfunded grant dependent universities whose mission is not to create industrial scale compute resources is like complaining local technical school auto-mechanic program isn’t out-producing Ford’s auto manufacturing numbers.

But then as soon as the author rolled out complaints about DEI and ethics, you knew what was going on. Okay, please leave higher ed and work for the industry you love. As you say, they are doing just fine.

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