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Universities would prefer no AI

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Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s almost like a place focused on improving the human should operate differently from a place building commercial products.

Couldn't agree more, and yet, attendance itself is a commerical product.

The commercial product is the paper that says "University of Whatever says you learned Whatever". If the university loses credibility (by producing a bunch of people who cannot function without a chatbot) then the product is no longer valuable.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung.

The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one.

The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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The primary use case of universities are to produce a generation that can contribute to the society in a meaningful and positive manner. Nowadays in-order to do that, AI literacy is a must for graduates just like it was 15 years ago when it was a must to have computer literacy.

AI is a tool like internet was and it's the responsibility of the curriculum to teach proper usage of that tool rather than fighting against it.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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>the two most reliable places to get an answer are the physical library and AI. Uh in what universe? Obviously physical books are helpful but are not most of the new ones being written with the assistance of an LLM?

Depending on the type of question being asked and the complexity, human intervention is still needed because LLMs still face an information retrieval problems.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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It is causing far more pain than benefit in the majority of institutions.

Particularly the cheating. Many students are flagrantly using it + the detection tools either aren't configured to check for it, or, if they do have something like TurnItIn, it doesn't work, and flags legitimately created content sans AI.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more, and yet, attendance itself is a commerical product.

The commercial product is the paper that says "University of Whatever says you learned Whatever". If the university loses credibility (by producing a bunch of people who cannot function without a chatbot) then the product is no longer valuable.

Luckily for us all these good natured AI people will liberate us from the necessity of our own value and places like universities, which give us structured environments to participate in intellectual pursuits, will be in high demand.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

> with pen and paper level of technology

definitely try out:

galaxy s9 ultra tab (wacom! edit: also, 14.6 inch: bigger than any ipad series)

+ LAMY s-pen

+ paper-feel screen protector

(and optionally felt-tip nibs)

miles better than MPP or AES or other crap: those can't draw diagonal lines without wobbling, thought I was getting parkinsons

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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The primary use case of universities are to produce a generation that can contribute to the society in a meaningful and positive manner. Nowadays in-order to do that, AI literacy is a must for graduates just like it was 15 years ago when it was a must to have computer literacy. AI is a tool like internet was and it's the responsibility of the curriculum to teach proper usage of that tool rather than fighting against…

> AI is a tool like internet was

until it was overrun by unverified AI slop. Let's just get the slop from the source!

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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The primary use case of universities are to produce a generation that can contribute to the society in a meaningful and positive manner. Nowadays in-order to do that, AI literacy is a must for graduates just like it was 15 years ago when it was a must to have computer literacy. AI is a tool like internet was and it's the responsibility of the curriculum to teach proper usage of that tool rather than fighting against…

Yep. That's the premise of this article. The writer used to be the dean of humanities at University of Utah (great school, much of AI exists thanks to their work on CompGraphics, HPC, and Teapots) and is basically arguing that humanites and social science (HSS) programs need to build that kind of literacy.

A generation ago you saw similar resistance to the internet from HSS programs.

Re: Universities would prefer no AI

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post #12
post #7

And for the good reason. I have yet to see 1 (one) reason how giving infinite cheat machine to students is of any benefit to them. The secret to mastery remained unchanged for a thousand years: books, lectures and homework. All of this can be done with pen and paper level of technology.

A home can also be built of mud bricks and heated by dung. The issue you’re describing is a mindset/cultural one, not a technological one. The same cheating machine can be used as a tutor. Those same cheating students understand, that at the gym, they themselves have to lift the weights to get strong, but that mindset doesn’t carry over to their classes.

LLMs are like anabolic steroids for the brain. Surely you can do more with them, but you are better without them. Access to them should be restricted, especially for untrained minds.
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