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Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by zeratax »

matusp wrote: post #7

The minimalist approach is great until it isn't. You can cover 98% of use cases with a single button is a great motto, until you are in the other 2%. I often fail to find basic functionality in software today, because some smart product manager decided that nobody really needs it. For example, it is now often impossible to load all elements from a list and filter/sort it along basic properties.

yeah like i do find apple software is now full of ads, bugs and often feels very unpolished. but i also think they have recently increased complexity in a bunch of places and i like that a lot haha... like being able to customize your homescreen more or even the screenshot example! i def use like 3 of those options at least weekly...

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by PaulHoule »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #64
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I don't get asked about access for Chrome at every update. I have bigger issues with the way a lot of MacOS apps are just poorly designed. Like screen capture - I want to be able to save to my choice of destination folder after clicking. But instead you get a selection of preset choices, and the option to select a destination before you capture the file, which is unnaturally distracting. Finder hasn't changed for dec…

Somebody has to push back about all the senseless permission boxes as an accessibility problem.

Like my home computer has 12 perfectly good USB charging ports but I'm not 100% happy using them, as opposed to wall wart or a wireless adapter, because I have to clear a dialog on my phone and on my computer when I want to plug it in. And of course the "import pictures" functions on both MacOS and Windows "just don't work" so when I really want to transfer photos I either email them (one at a time) or ftp them to my home server with Photosync.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by layer8 »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #75
layer8 wrote: post #62

Regarding stickers on PCs, once one PC manufacturer added a sticker for feature X, they would have an advantage in physical stores over the other manufacturer’s PC next to it, because consumers overwhelmed by the available choices would rather buy the PC with the indicated feature over the one that might not have it. If Macs were available from different manufacturers and displayed in stores side by side, I’m not sur…

Is "Intel inside" even a feature? It's not like the other laptop will be lacking a CPU.

You can read up the history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Intel_Inside. Nowadays the considerations aren’t exactly the same anymore as 20-30 years ago, but by some measure Intel CPUs are still the most interoperable x86 CPUs, due to their market share.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by detourdog »

pohl wrote: post #71
detourdog wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they would not. This is probably biggest betrayal of Apple users I have experienced. Apple should never confuse their OS's as ad delivery systems.

Not even if it means an exec can get the yacht with a helipad?

That is the point. They used to hold the user experience in higher regard than their need for a helipad.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by layer8 »

vachina wrote: post #70
layer8 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. It was annoying to always have to delete the screenshot photos that you really only wanted to have on the clipboard to paste somewhere, or only wanted to extract text out of. I was very pleasantly surprised when the new options were added, and I regularly make use of the different available choices. Instead, what I dislike is that you can’t keep the screenshot dialog open in the background. It would be fi…

That would turn it into an app, but on iOS there’s no way to draw UI elements on top of other apps.

As I wrote, it could be integrated into Photos. Or they could make a Clipboard app that integrates it. Apple isn’t foreign to turning OS-wide functionality into apps, like Files and Passwords and Preview. There’s also functionality made statefully available via Control Center and Notification Center, which do “draw UI elements on top of other apps”. There’s various ways this could be accomplished.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by PaulHoule »

microtonal wrote: post #27

Even the 'own stickers' joke doesn't really apply anymore. I recently saw ads for Apple Fitness+ and Apple Intelligence in the system settings (!, I'll forgive the ads for Apple Care). Apple Creator Studio ads in the former iWork Apps (including abusing toolbar icons for it). Finally (luckily I haven't experienced it), ads for their F1 movie in Apple Wallet. It is gross and destroys what Apple stood for. Their introd…

It's an opinion that always gets downvoted but...

Using an Apple device these days is to be spoken to in a weird language that invites you become one of those people who lives at the genius bar, if you are so lucky to live within range of one. Like the touch id failed on my iPad and I got some really strange messages. I also get weird dialogs about failing things on my Mac (like some "widget" having to do with Find My) that usually center Apple brand names. It just makes those brands sound shoddy. [1]

I was delighted with my iPhone when I first got it but about six months later I was always getting important phone calls... and it wouldn't ring, I was getting important texts... some of which would appear on my iPhone, some of which would appear on my Ipad, some of which would never appear at all, I was getting important notifications... and I couldn't find them, or they would disappear before I could tap on them, it was like my phone was possessed by the devil.

I turned off filtering and grouping for notifications and went through the menus, deleted every app that I didn't use, turned off notifications for apps unless I absolutely needed them, etc. After spending an hour digging through the settings my phone now rings when people call.

And don't get me started on AirPods; like they sorta kinda work if you stay in the Apple ecosystem, but if you pair them with Windows they will do everything in their power to punish you, including force you to reboot your phone so you can talk on the microphones.

The most amusing thing is that so many of the ads and nags in MacOS use the Liquid Glass refresh of the 2001 Mac OS X version of the dialog box from the 1984 Mac Classic. Microsoft nags are based on web technology and look kinda appealing, but Apple nags are a blast from the past.

[1] ... if only your XBOX could show a Playstation logo when it is acting like an ADHD kid rather than an XBOX logo!

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by jmartrican »

Gareth321 wrote: post #85
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I use and have used Windows and macOS for decades. I think Windows is better, but both are doing their best to drive users to Linux. Their relentless focus on extracting subscription and "service" revenue from others is fundamentally undermining the user experience in countless ways. Ads. Dark patterns. Nags windows. Auto-bundled games and software. Telemetry. Every year they make their operating systems just a littl…

I really want a Linux laptop. The problem is that Apple's M series CPUs are too good.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by chillfox »

rubyfan wrote: post #86
apothegm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 2002-2010 that attention to detail was on display and the OS struck an impressive balance between features, ease of use, and power user access. Since then it’s been straight downhill. First they stopped investing in desktop in favor of mobile. Then they underwent some rewrites to OS and bundled apps that dumbed things down and exploded the defect rate. Then they started setting the stage for a touch experienc…

> And then there’s the travesty that is Tahoe. Liquid Glass has no place on the desktop (or the phone really). I migrated to Mac OS X from OpenBSD in like 2002 or so. MacOS has been a steady decline for many years, probably soon after the iPhone. Snow Leopard was probably the height of the MacOS experience. It’s been lots of little things along the way but I agree Tahoe is an inflection point.

The Liquid Glass thing is a migraine trigger for my mum, and everyone I know with an iPhone has turned as much of it off as possible.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by nobleach »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I can tell you that Apple grows closer and closer to Microsoft-level annoying every year. The update situation is just stupid at this point. 10:30am and "hey, we'd like to take your computer offline for 45 minutes? Want to defer until this evening? Yeah? put your password in anyway.

iOS has gotten gross as well. You see that email notification on your lock screen? Wanna see what it says? Tap it. HAHA, that just expands the stack. Tap it again... that reveals a bit.... TAP IT AGAIN - ah, now we're unlocking and revealing it in the app....

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by Telemakhos »

rubyfan wrote: post #86
apothegm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 2002-2010 that attention to detail was on display and the OS struck an impressive balance between features, ease of use, and power user access. Since then it’s been straight downhill. First they stopped investing in desktop in favor of mobile. Then they underwent some rewrites to OS and bundled apps that dumbed things down and exploded the defect rate. Then they started setting the stage for a touch experienc…

> And then there’s the travesty that is Tahoe. Liquid Glass has no place on the desktop (or the phone really). I migrated to Mac OS X from OpenBSD in like 2002 or so. MacOS has been a steady decline for many years, probably soon after the iPhone. Snow Leopard was probably the height of the MacOS experience. It’s been lots of little things along the way but I agree Tahoe is an inflection point.

It's sad how much faster and cooler my phone runs with the accessibility feature that turns off parts of Liquid Glass.
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