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Is there? Do you have sourcing? Who are the well funded actors spending big against data centers?
The Chinese Communist Party
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The majority of people opposed AC current, cars, steam engines, rail tracks, airplanes, computers, the internet, and so on. There was always irrational fear present with new tech advances. People opposing data centers will not look any less foolish than those who opposed AC current.
I don't think the people who opposed those things look foolish even today. Most of those things, in their early days, were implemented haphazardly and with an incredible lack of regulatory oversight, and the reason they were not quite as disastrous as they could have been is that people opposed them. And people opposing data centers today who are opposing unfettered data center creations will not look any *more* fool…
I used the softer word "foolish" - but in reality, they are idiots. Yes, they are, and they will look like idiots in the future when China wins the AI race. In the same way, nuclear opponents are idiots and have contributed to the decline in nuclear research in the West over the past 50 years (looking at you, Europe, especially Germany), while China keeps advancing its nuclear research (fission and fusion as well) and building nuclear plants to ensure its future energy independence and dominance.
Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there? Do you have sourcing? Who are the well funded actors spending big against data centers?
The Chinese Communist Party
Again: sourcing? An explanation of how the Chinese Communist Party is able to transfer money to middle of nowhere community activists like those mentioned in the article?
Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the people who opposed those things look foolish even today. Most of those things, in their early days, were implemented haphazardly and with an incredible lack of regulatory oversight, and the reason they were not quite as disastrous as they could have been is that people opposed them. And people opposing data centers today who are opposing unfettered data center creations will not look any *more* fool…
I used the softer word "foolish" - but in reality, they are idiots. Yes, they are, and they will look like idiots in the future when China wins the AI race. In the same way, nuclear opponents are idiots and have contributed to the decline in nuclear research in the West over the past 50 years (looking at you, Europe, especially Germany), while China keeps advancing its nuclear research (fission and fusion as well) an…
What, exactly, are we racing for? Smarter chatboxes?
Nuclear plants are being forced to shut down in this heat wave, due to low river levels, as they don't have enough head pressure to run their cooling pumps and if they had different pumps their waste heat would sterilize the river. I'm sure China has no qualms about sterilising rivers but the next, hotter, heat wave will dry them up anyway, and they'll still have to turn the plants off.
Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The majority of people opposed AC current, cars, steam engines, rail tracks, airplanes, computers, the internet, and so on. There was always irrational fear present with new tech advances. People opposing data centers will not look any less foolish than those who opposed AC current.
There were even some complete and utter fools who said Asbestos wasnt all that.
And the ones who said smoking caused lung cancer.
Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used the softer word "foolish" - but in reality, they are idiots. Yes, they are, and they will look like idiots in the future when China wins the AI race. In the same way, nuclear opponents are idiots and have contributed to the decline in nuclear research in the West over the past 50 years (looking at you, Europe, especially Germany), while China keeps advancing its nuclear research (fission and fusion as well) an…
What, exactly, are we racing for? Smarter chatboxes? Nuclear plants are being forced to shut down in this heat wave, due to low river levels, as they don't have enough head pressure to run their cooling pumps and if they had different pumps their waste heat would sterilize the river. I'm sure China has no qualms about sterilising rivers but the next, hotter, heat wave will dry them up anyway, and they'll still have t…
Just proving my point. "Hey, look, AC current can kill you. We must stop this nonsense"
https://www.wired.com/2012/01/0104edison-uses-ac-to-kill-ele...
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
"We can't trust them" is the foundation of practically every conspiracy theory, though, from times immemorial. I remember people protesting against cell towers, and it was exactly what their arguments were built around: "We don't believe this thing won't fry our brains". It was the same before with electrical lines, and I guess steam power had its share too. Not telling a concerned citizen is obliged to trust everyon…
This is an example of the same problem as the article; you're treating trust as entirely unrelated to reality. It can get out-of-step, but that's not the only possibility, and it's not the one we're facing here. The problem with conspiracy theories is not that they're based on a lack of trust, but that they're not rational. Sometimes a lack of trust is perfectly rational. Cell towers don't actually fry your brains. S…
>problem with conspiracy theories is not that they're based on a lack of trust, but that they're not rational.
Rationality isn't some sort of absolute parameter, it's determined wrt available information. And with information coming from outside it's certainly an issue of trust.
FWIW such unconditional claim as "DC will harm your community" is a shiny example of this, as you don't even care to talk about a particular DC, and obviously cases (community problems, and interests, and the way a DC placed or build) can vary a lot. Apparently, you just don't believe them at all, don't you?
>You can't treat all distrust as unreasoning.
I don't. I just noticed that arguments you believe are central are very stretchy, and can 'prove' anything, including conspiracy theories.
Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
What, exactly, are we racing for? Smarter chatboxes? Nuclear plants are being forced to shut down in this heat wave, due to low river levels, as they don't have enough head pressure to run their cooling pumps and if they had different pumps their waste heat would sterilize the river. I'm sure China has no qualms about sterilising rivers but the next, hotter, heat wave will dry them up anyway, and they'll still have t…
Just proving my point. "Hey, look, AC current can kill you. We must stop this nonsense" https://www.wired.com/2012/01/0104edison-uses-ac-to-kill-ele...
What are we racing for? Smarter chatboxes?