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Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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Are folks still thinking orbital data centers are an impossibility? Because this is a strong part of the motivation for those.

A data center on a ship out in the ocean is orders of magnitude cheaper and orders of magnitude more capable. If we can't demonstrate a solution to the heat problem, in-orbit DCs that contribute meaningful compute are a fantasy and nothing more.

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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post #8

Are folks still thinking orbital data centers are an impossibility? Because this is a strong part of the motivation for those.

It still doesn't make any sense: if they're not going to use bodies of water to cool them in space, they can not use a body of water to cool them in the middle of nowhere. The same with the solar panels

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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post #11
post #8

Are folks still thinking orbital data centers are an impossibility? Because this is a strong part of the motivation for those.

A data center on a ship out in the ocean is orders of magnitude cheaper and orders of magnitude more capable. If we can't demonstrate a solution to the heat problem, in-orbit DCs that contribute meaningful compute are a fantasy and nothing more.

Solar power in space is potentially very cheap; solar on a ship is not.

The heat problem has demonstrable solutions that people who are physics challenged can't seem to get themselves to accept.

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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The new poll found that 41 percent of Americans would oppose a data center being built within three miles of where they live, up from 28 percent in the January survey. The number supporting those projects dropped during the same period, from 37 percent to 24 percent. The shift was especially pronounced among people who said they had voted for Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential race. The results reflect the scope…

This could have been stopped so easily on its tracks with a simple premise: 1 day turnaround build permits, to any proposed off-the-grid data centers. BYO power. BYO water. BYO pipes & sewage. OK, you are good. Now build! Instead they are look like parasites invading the heartland and sucking resources (true or not), and owners pretend to be surprised when they are getting voted down.

> 1 day turnaround build permits, to any proposed off-the-grid data centers.

Utility planning is one tiny part of approving a building permit. You still need to look at storm water runoff, fire safety, environmental impact etc…

I’m also not even sure what bring your own water even looks like.

And even if they are providing their own wastewater treatment, that requires an even closer look than hooking up to municipal sewage. It also requires at least occasional long term inspection because these kinds of systems fail at insanely high rates.

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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post #13
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A data center on a ship out in the ocean is orders of magnitude cheaper and orders of magnitude more capable. If we can't demonstrate a solution to the heat problem, in-orbit DCs that contribute meaningful compute are a fantasy and nothing more.

Solar power in space is potentially very cheap; solar on a ship is not. The heat problem has demonstrable solutions that people who are physics challenged can't seem to get themselves to accept.

> Solar power in space is potentially very cheap

Only if you ignore the cost of getting in there

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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post #8

Are folks still thinking orbital data centers are an impossibility? Because this is a strong part of the motivation for those.

Not impossible but I'm still curious how they're planning to deal with heat.

I'd also wonder if the folks who don't want to live within 3 miles of a data center are OK with the data center flying over their head

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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The new poll found that 41 percent of Americans would oppose a data center being built within three miles of where they live, up from 28 percent in the January survey. The number supporting those projects dropped during the same period, from 37 percent to 24 percent. The shift was especially pronounced among people who said they had voted for Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential race. The results reflect the scope…

Not surprising at all. There is paid for the locals when these things appear, but they don’t get anything back for that paid. Even if they’re computer literate and using ai, there’s no notice that this came from their local centre. Nor is there anything that’s unique to a particular location. People get annoyed at being inconvenienced so that others, elsewhere can make money.

Here in Michigan there are large industrial facilities that most locals have no idea what is done inside. There's noise, electric usage, trucks coming in and out, but most people think it's ok. Data centers are seen differently.

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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post #13
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A data center on a ship out in the ocean is orders of magnitude cheaper and orders of magnitude more capable. If we can't demonstrate a solution to the heat problem, in-orbit DCs that contribute meaningful compute are a fantasy and nothing more.

Solar power in space is potentially very cheap; solar on a ship is not. The heat problem has demonstrable solutions that people who are physics challenged can't seem to get themselves to accept.

You think the heat problem has solutions in space? Good luck! Unfortunately this is a harsh mistress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_cooling

You don't in fact have viable solutions to this problem when orbital launch prices are above like 100USD per ton, probably needs to be closer to 20USD per ton.

Re: Polling shows a growing political reckoning is coming for data centers

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This does not bode well for American prosperity. This is going the way of Europe, complacent and non-competitive. The future belongs to China.

Data centers would be less contentious in the U.S. if energy was plentiful and clean. As it is, it externalizes costs onto the public and strains profit-optimized electrical grids while contributing to local pollution and global warming.
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