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Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by pohl »

detourdog wrote: post #48
pixelesque wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The really annoying thing to me about the "Ads" in the system settings for various things like Apple Music, iCloud, Fitness, etc (other than the fact they're there in the first place) is that they appear after a bit of a delay (around 500 ms?), so other items I actually want have to slide down to make space as I'm about to click something. Old Apple would never have done that I don't think.

No they would not. This is probably biggest betrayal of Apple users I have experienced. Apple should never confuse their OS's as ad delivery systems.

Not even if it means an exec can get the yacht with a helipad?

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by StilesCrisis »

alexpotato wrote: post #69

I know that "Great Man" theory is considered debunked. That being said, it seems a LOT of drops in quality trace back to some very senior person who cared about quality and put resources behind delivering quality and then either: - stops caring - leaves (retires, switches jobs or gets pushed out). Jobs is the classic example of this but I'm sure if you are reading this then you have an example from your own career hi…

Blizzard changed as soon as Morhaime left.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

alexpotato wrote: post #69

I know that "Great Man" theory is considered debunked. That being said, it seems a LOT of drops in quality trace back to some very senior person who cared about quality and put resources behind delivering quality and then either: - stops caring - leaves (retires, switches jobs or gets pushed out). Jobs is the classic example of this but I'm sure if you are reading this then you have an example from your own career hi…

I would call this the "bus factor" theory. If a process (here, quality control) revolves around one person, and then that person stops doing the work, the work stops getting done.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by BoxOfRain »

pixelesque wrote: post #45
microtonal wrote: post #27

Even the 'own stickers' joke doesn't really apply anymore. I recently saw ads for Apple Fitness+ and Apple Intelligence in the system settings (!, I'll forgive the ads for Apple Care). Apple Creator Studio ads in the former iWork Apps (including abusing toolbar icons for it). Finally (luckily I haven't experienced it), ads for their F1 movie in Apple Wallet. It is gross and destroys what Apple stood for. Their introd…

The really annoying thing to me about the "Ads" in the system settings for various things like Apple Music, iCloud, Fitness, etc (other than the fact they're there in the first place) is that they appear after a bit of a delay (around 500 ms?), so other items I actually want have to slide down to make space as I'm about to click something. Old Apple would never have done that I don't think.

My massive Apple annoyance at the moment is how there's an unremovable nag screen for an Apple Music subscription on the iOS app, when all I ever want to do is sync local music to an iphone like it's an ipod in 2006. They just can't take 'no' for an answer, I'm happy with my current streaming service and I'll never want the hassle of migration.

In my view there really needs to be some 'no means no, not maybe later' legislation against this burdensome dark pattern.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by StilesCrisis »

layer8 wrote: post #62

Regarding stickers on PCs, once one PC manufacturer added a sticker for feature X, they would have an advantage in physical stores over the other manufacturer’s PC next to it, because consumers overwhelmed by the available choices would rather buy the PC with the indicated feature over the one that might not have it. If Macs were available from different manufacturers and displayed in stores side by side, I’m not sur…

Is "Intel inside" even a feature? It's not like the other laptop will be lacking a CPU.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by StilesCrisis »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #13

The same people who want minimalism here in the comments are angry at Microsoft for removing half the features in any control panel inside Windows with every release. Shows how difficult it is to design and build software at scale.

I think the real issue is that they have a clean, pretty window with five options and then a "more options" button--which, when clicked, brings up the exact settings pane from Windows NT 4 with no improvements. So we have to endure two parallel implementations, each flawed in its own way.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by WillAdams »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I bought an original 128K Mac, and then used them professionally for decades --- Snow Leopard, 10.6.8, which I view as the most perfect Mac OS ever, was the last version I really liked, or found comfortable.

I need to replace a MacBook Pro w/ Touchbar, and am _not_ excited about the options, and I find the OS version numbering/naming baffling (why they couldn't've counted versions, started at the next letter of the alphabet, and then cycled through the alphabet in the California Gazetteer when they switched place names from there on out mystifies me) --- probably I'll end up w/ a hand-me-down iMac, but I'd be a bit more interested if there was a portable Mac tablet w/ a stylus and touch, having preferred that form-factor for portable usage since Go Corp.'s PenPoint on an NCR-3125 (which I paired w/ a NeXT Cube and represents the highwatermark of my GUI experience).

I wish that there was an option to limit the OS to only Cocoa/SwiftUI/equivalent "native" apps, and I really wish that Preferences.app would arrive at a simplified and stable state which makes sense.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by jon-wood »

vnorilo wrote: post #9

Screenshot and share functionality get massively overloaded on iOS, but it's not because a product person / designer lacks the necessary taste, vision or "courage". It's because the OS is not capable of composing apps well: "I want to X, but with Y". As a result, functionality like screenshots, sharing, clipboard get overloaded with all kinds of adhoc half-baked workflows to work around the single app mindset.

I kind of agree with what you're saying, in that screenshot and share functionality is increasingly overloaded with options and things that just don't make any sense in that context. I disagree that this isn't because a product designer lacks vision, Apple control the entire stack on iOS, and there's nothing stopping them from rethinking things so that "Share" isn't a weird synonym for "Junk drawer menu".

There is no justifiable reason that Safari's find in page option is under the share menu, hidden underneath a View More button. Finding within a page has nothing to do with sharing, and even if somehow a user guessed that it might be in that menu without searching the web for it, they're probably going to dismiss it because they haven't expanded the view more menu.

iOS and macOS are riddled with illogical decisions like this. The menu bar is an unusable mess of icons that things have added, a problem that Windows (kind of) solved about a decade ago by allowing me to select which icons appear by default. The Dock seems to choose at random whether an app remains pinned or not, with particular confusion brought by apps updating themselves. Shortcuts is a wonderful idea in principle while in practice anytime I try to do something with it some part is missing.

I used to be a huge proponent of macOS in particular, and I would like to be one again, but currently its incredibly hard to do that.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by drcongo »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #64
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I don't get asked about access for Chrome at every update. I have bigger issues with the way a lot of MacOS apps are just poorly designed. Like screen capture - I want to be able to save to my choice of destination folder after clicking. But instead you get a selection of preset choices, and the option to select a destination before you capture the file, which is unnaturally distracting. Finder hasn't changed for dec…

I highly recommend ScreenFloat for screenshots, it's one of my favourite and most used apps - endless power user features that mostly sit elegantly out of the way until you need them. https://eternalstorms.at/ScreenFloat/
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