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Denmark: EVs Make Up 97% of New Private Car Sales in July

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Re: Denmark: EVs Make Up 97% of New Private Car Sales in July

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rsynnott wrote: post #77
spwa4 wrote: post #47

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The country has also modified the tax code that any EV is ~5000 euro cheaper in acquisition costs (through tax punishment for ICE + tax advantage for EV), about ~800 euro per year cheaper (there's secondary tax measures making ICE vehicles more expensive on an ongoing basis, depends on the car, and okay, 800 would be for a very nice car), plus guaranteed public charging capacity (and of course due to charging limits…

> That's what it takes in 2026 to make EVs still not quite cheaper than ICE cars. That's beginning to change. VW Polo base model in Ireland: 25000 eur (of which about 3000 VRT). VW id.Polo (VW has changed its electric car naming scheme, again): 20000 eur, with 3500 grant and no VRT. So if you exclude incentivisation in both directions, the Polo costs about 22000, the id.Polo costs 23500. _With_ incentives, the electr…

Ireland can't even switch away from diesel trains in Dublin city ... I doubt they will be a good example.

Re: Denmark: EVs Make Up 97% of New Private Car Sales in July

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Post by rsynnott »

spwa4 wrote: post #81
rsynnott wrote: post #77

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> That's what it takes in 2026 to make EVs still not quite cheaper than ICE cars. That's beginning to change. VW Polo base model in Ireland: 25000 eur (of which about 3000 VRT). VW id.Polo (VW has changed its electric car naming scheme, again): 20000 eur, with 3500 grant and no VRT. So if you exclude incentivisation in both directions, the Polo costs about 22000, the id.Polo costs 23500. _With_ incentives, the electr…

Ireland can't even switch away from diesel trains in Dublin city ... I doubt they will be a good example.

There you’re seeing the inertia of the planning and procurement system.

For an idea of how bad this is, one of the commuter lines will initially be electrified with trains that run on _battery_ for part of their route, because extending overhead lines will take so long. Battery trains have their place on low frequency routes, but the northern commuter line will be every five minutes each way, and battery trains would ordinarily never be economic for that level of service.

Diesels will be mostly gone, at least from the city center stations, over the next five to ten years or so, though a couple of intercities will linger on much longer.

Ireland has a similar adoption rate of electric cars to France and Germany.

Re: Denmark: EVs Make Up 97% of New Private Car Sales in July

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adrianN wrote: post #24
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> it's not very difficult to put some cables in the ground and install a big pre built metal box :) But increasingly it's becoming a problem that those cables have nowhere to run to as the grid isn't capable of serving them all. There might be excess generation but unless you have the capacity in the wires to get it where it's needed you're still stuck. Especially in dense old cuties where the grid was built when the…

The problem can be alleviated with more chargers. If every parking spot had a charger you could slow-charge with much lower pressure on the grid. 2kW over night are plenty for most people’s driving needs.

You could but the customer seems to want as fast of a charge as possible...

Having driven an EV for over 10 years, I don't see why. There's plenty of places where you have the time but still.

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Post by mschild »

LtWorf wrote: post #54
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Charging stations just need to function like regular gas stations. Prices need to be made available online and prominently displayed at the entrance of the station. They shouldn't allow cheaper prices for subscriptions or even blocking any access without one.

Gas stations do have cheaper prices for subscriptions often.

Depends on country I suppose. The main complaint from me is the difference in price and subscription requirement to even be able to use some of them though.

Subscriptions from major charging providers can easily run 15 Euros a month and for that you get electricity for up to 50% cheaper per kWh. There are also a lot of providers that you simply cannot charge with unless you are subscribed. Payment is only possible through their app or they send you a physical rfid token that's linked to your account.

In my town (200k inhabitants) roughly 40% of stations require you to sign up with the provider first before being able to use it.

Re: Denmark: EVs Make Up 97% of New Private Car Sales in July

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Post by tencentshill »

Markoff wrote: post #79
tencentshill wrote: post #74

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The car sits somewhere overnight. Put a charger there.

not viable solution for people in apartments, most of the cars in Prague sits on the street next to curb without any chargers nearby, I don't think there is any country which would have chargers for every car parked on street, it's always shared charger for MANY cars, which works when there are only very few EVs like right now, but once you reach certain point the only realistic solution are expensive fast chargers (…

In the city it's even easier. You have lamps and shops powered with 240V power on the streetside. Wires and conduit running under every street. The power infrastructure is already there. It would be like adding the power demand of a busy restaurant that uses electric stoves to each street, hardly impossible.
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