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Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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Because a single autonomous vehicle operating in a shared fleet can replace multiple privately owned cars, the widespread adoption of this technology can’t help but reduce new-car sales volumes. The old "Thing will become more useful so we'll make less of it" argument. No mention of Jevons Paradox? If we can travel and send stuff around from point A to point B cheaply and instantly by dropping ourselves or an item in…

Where do the cheap cars come from? Fuel and electricity aren’t free

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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post #9

Because a single autonomous vehicle operating in a shared fleet can replace multiple privately owned cars, the widespread adoption of this technology can’t help but reduce new-car sales volumes. The old "Thing will become more useful so we'll make less of it" argument. No mention of Jevons Paradox? If we can travel and send stuff around from point A to point B cheaply and instantly by dropping ourselves or an item in…

I doubt that here. Cars are already near saturation, at least in the US.

Essentially everyone has a car. The car is mostly idle. If car availability starts to approach instant then people don't need personal vehicles that are idle 95% of the time. Car quantity overall goes down unless you can 20x current utilization, which is a lot of trips and fuel.

Not to mention that if anything resembling current quantity of extant cars becomes the current quantity of cars using roadways at a given moment, most cities will gridlock.

If the thesis is "cars will approach 50% or greater utilization" then car numbers must drop barring a massive increase in road capacity for which the land does not exist.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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post #9

Because a single autonomous vehicle operating in a shared fleet can replace multiple privately owned cars, the widespread adoption of this technology can’t help but reduce new-car sales volumes. The old "Thing will become more useful so we'll make less of it" argument. No mention of Jevons Paradox? If we can travel and send stuff around from point A to point B cheaply and instantly by dropping ourselves or an item in…

I doubt that here. Cars are already near saturation, at least in the US. Essentially everyone has a car. The car is mostly idle. If car availability starts to approach instant then people don't need personal vehicles that are idle 95% of the time. Car quantity overall goes down unless you can 20x current utilization, which is a lot of trips and fuel. Not to mention that if anything resembling current quantity of exta…

> If the thesis is "cars will approach 50% or greater utilization" then car numbers must drop barring a massive increase in road capacity for which the land does not exist.

You can build stacked roads a few levels up. Capacity doubles or triples without any significant land use.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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A few points worth contending. First, personal flying vehicles are definitely not going to be a common mode of transportation. If and when this happens, it will be for ultra rich, select few people, effectively replacing a private helicopter. We don't have the infrastructure, regulation or technology to have millions of people buzzing around in their astro-ford like the fifth element - this is still very much science…

> We don't have the infrastructure, regulation or technology to have millions of people buzzing around in their astro-ford like the fifth element - this is still very much science fiction.

If by flying cars you mean flying robotaxies, then all you need are landing pads. They can be easily accomodated on top of buildings. And regulation for what? We already know how to fky helicopters by autopilot, no need for innovation stiffling with more regulation.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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post #9

Because a single autonomous vehicle operating in a shared fleet can replace multiple privately owned cars, the widespread adoption of this technology can’t help but reduce new-car sales volumes. The old "Thing will become more useful so we'll make less of it" argument. No mention of Jevons Paradox? If we can travel and send stuff around from point A to point B cheaply and instantly by dropping ourselves or an item in…

I doubt that here. Cars are already near saturation, at least in the US. Essentially everyone has a car. The car is mostly idle. If car availability starts to approach instant then people don't need personal vehicles that are idle 95% of the time. Car quantity overall goes down unless you can 20x current utilization, which is a lot of trips and fuel. Not to mention that if anything resembling current quantity of exta…

Who exactly will be cleaning and sanitizing these self-driving cars that are getting this 50%-or-greater utilization?

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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I doubt that here. Cars are already near saturation, at least in the US. Essentially everyone has a car. The car is mostly idle. If car availability starts to approach instant then people don't need personal vehicles that are idle 95% of the time. Car quantity overall goes down unless you can 20x current utilization, which is a lot of trips and fuel. Not to mention that if anything resembling current quantity of exta…

Who exactly will be cleaning and sanitizing these self-driving cars that are getting this 50%-or-greater utilization?

Have you taken public transportation in the US? The answer is obvious: nobody.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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Because a single autonomous vehicle operating in a shared fleet can replace multiple privately owned cars, the widespread adoption of this technology can’t help but reduce new-car sales volumes. The old "Thing will become more useful so we'll make less of it" argument. No mention of Jevons Paradox? If we can travel and send stuff around from point A to point B cheaply and instantly by dropping ourselves or an item in…

This is the dumbest possible approach.

We don't need fleets of autonomous vehicles, each carrying two tons of metal for transporting a person or two and clogging up cities. We just need a train network that doesn't suck.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that here. Cars are already near saturation, at least in the US. Essentially everyone has a car. The car is mostly idle. If car availability starts to approach instant then people don't need personal vehicles that are idle 95% of the time. Car quantity overall goes down unless you can 20x current utilization, which is a lot of trips and fuel. Not to mention that if anything resembling current quantity of exta…

Who exactly will be cleaning and sanitizing these self-driving cars that are getting this 50%-or-greater utilization?

Roombas.

Re: Some car companies are operating without regard for a declining customer base

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If your theory is true we might see an era where supply vastly exceeds demand and car manufacturers will need to offset brand new vehicles to keep cash flow going. Sounds great to me, sign me up for 20$k brand new Ford when the time’s ready.
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