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How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
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Re: How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
And is it your view that, in contrast, the news media in China is highly responsible?
the contrast is that Chinese media follows the rule to never mess with brand China and act as chear leaders, oh and gently make sure no one forgets the centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China by any means availible. The other relavent thing is that China has whole massive citys and regions which are all but hermeticly sealed off from the rest of the world, with NO airports or wes…
> centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit
China violently annexed Tibet in the 1950s. Trying to pretend there is a moral gradient is revealing.
Re: How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
the contrast is that Chinese media follows the rule to never mess with brand China and act as chear leaders, oh and gently make sure no one forgets the centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China by any means availible. The other relavent thing is that China has whole massive citys and regions which are all but hermeticly sealed off from the rest of the world, with NO airports or wes…
> centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China violently annexed Tibet in the 1950s. Trying to pretend there is a moral gradient is revealing.
You are playing the generic tangent game here. I wish I could replicate how PP makes his points, but here I think he doesn't give it enough credit.
US (& even its allies) have been portrayed to be welcoming, or at least less unwelcoming. than China, which too have had an inbred commitment to hospitality . to the average foreigner. The reality on the ground is generally the opposite. Chinese law enforcement (especially urban) is mostly hands-off, aloof. The powers behind the scenes have different ideas, but they have limited influence on how things play out in everyday detail. This is the same in the US but NYT feel like it is in their interest to muddy the waters.
Vibes are a big part of why I admittedly despise the [soft-elitist] centre (left and right) in the US (& "North-Central Europe[0]"). These inaccurate vibes promulgated by leftleaning "elite humanist" media have for the longest time (250 years?) "quietly" enabled overzealous foreign interventions
[why can't they just do that world-policing in the manner of Chinese "Public Safety"? Brandishing weapons as an after-thought?]
They are waking up to their own hubris and ignorance though, thanks to the polarising situation in the ME. Not quickly enough. Congress is now weak because of these errors of character
Re: How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
> centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China violently annexed Tibet in the 1950s. Trying to pretend there is a moral gradient is revealing.
You are playing the generic tangent game here. I wish I could replicate how PP makes his points, but here I think he doesn't give it enough credit. US (& even its allies) have been portrayed to be welcoming, or at least less unwelcoming. than China, which too have had an inbred commitment to hospitality . to the average foreigner. The reality on the ground is generally the opposite. Chinese law enforcement (especiall…
> You are playing the generic tangent game here
Nope. I'm calling out evil where it resides.
> US (& even its allies) have been portrayed to be welcoming
Balance of power. If you're Canada, right now, balancing America with Chinese power is favourable.
> These inaccurate vibes promulgated by leftleaning "elite humanist" media
The media environment is almost orthogonal to military and geopolitcal decisionmaking. (For folks who only consume ad-supported media, sure–the line may be impossible to delinate. If you have any decisionmaking authority in these areas, you or someone else is paying for you to have better information than TikTok or whatever.)
Re: How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
the contrast is that Chinese media follows the rule to never mess with brand China and act as chear leaders, oh and gently make sure no one forgets the centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China by any means availible. The other relavent thing is that China has whole massive citys and regions which are all but hermeticly sealed off from the rest of the world, with NO airports or wes…
> centuries long attempts to destabilise, enslave, collinise, and exploit China violently annexed Tibet in the 1950s. Trying to pretend there is a moral gradient is revealing.
the very little known detail is that Tibet engaged in armed resistance and killed Chinese soldiers useing US weapons that somehow mysteriously ended up in some monks hands, which fits in with the destabilise part of my point.
we could get into the whole back story, up to including how the yuan dynasty emperor granted the title "dalai" to a certain Tibeten lama, and I could then detail my own personal dilema of having a Mongol ethnic background, and how Chinas repression of non han in "China" effects me.
there are a lot of facts, and perhaps an even greater number of conclusions, but pragmatism is still the strongest force.
Re: How China Keeps Tabs on Foreigners
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are playing the generic tangent game here. I wish I could replicate how PP makes his points, but here I think he doesn't give it enough credit. US (& even its allies) have been portrayed to be welcoming, or at least less unwelcoming. than China, which too have had an inbred commitment to hospitality . to the average foreigner. The reality on the ground is generally the opposite. Chinese law enforcement (especiall…
> You are playing the generic tangent game here Nope. I'm calling out evil where it resides. > US (& even its allies) have been portrayed to be welcoming Balance of power. If you're Canada, right now, balancing America with Chinese power is favourable. > These inaccurate vibes promulgated by leftleaning "elite humanist" media The media environment is almost orthogonal to military and geopolitcal decisionmaking. (For…
>I'm calling out evil where it resides.
I disagree but imho this is a much deeper issue that should be left to a later time-- I have to think about it. Very similar to "is (abstract) psychological projection moral"? Tolerating paranoia and other personal but also culture-wide psycho-emotional issues[0] ? Those are deeper than the question of whether that kind of evil is still entrenched in CCP policy. Which is still worth thinking about, but I don't find relevant to this context. There are many other issues that are immediately actionable _and_ tied to those deeper questions. I try to learn from Mamdani in that regard. Idealism.. but also pragmatism (thanks metalman!! As always).. and a huge serving of listening to everyone
>For folks who only consume ad-supported media..
Unfortunately, most Congress people seem to not meet these basic criteria. Again, I disagree, but NYT seem not more trustworthy than TikTok-- where ads are the message? I blame the declining quality of journalists hired at that place (I'm personally glad you submit more FT and WSJ!! Nominally finance papers have higher default standards it seems)
[0] more bi-partisan than they seem (& I'm sure China has their own version of this one. I won't _declare_ that it's universal tho (some Nordics/Greenland?))
https://phys.org/news/2026-08-rhetoric-metoo-focused-violenc...