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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by estearum »

ericmay wrote: post #630
estearum wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No active American servicemember has fought a near-peer adversary lmao You should do some reading from the people who fought in GWOT and are now volunteering in Ukraine. Obviously combat experience is better than no combat experience, but we absolutely should not assume much beyond that.

> No active American servicemember has fought a near-peer adversary lmao You don't need to fight China to get experience fighting. The skills and experience translate. Plus America is getting direct experience with Chinese and Russian made systems. Even the simple act of organizing and deploying the military is incredibly valuable as I've already explained to you in another post.

US Marine talking about Ukraine: “I just think that foreign fighters came here and got a war… a type of warfare that they didn’t expect,” he said.

“Especially American foreign fighters. It’s not Afghanistan. It’s not Iraq. You’re taking the side of Vietnam versus the U.S. over here. You are the underdog, and with no air superiority or anything. And so they just assume they were being used as cannon fodder. But that’s just the way this war is. It’s a nightmare.”

Yes, obviously having experience deploying the military, or driving cars, or fixing tanks, or evacuating casualties, is all far better than no experience doing those things.

Do you think someone is disagreeing with you on this point?

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Post by yubblegum »

varispeed wrote: post #414
laughing_man wrote: post #286

>The U.S. Army has used up much of its stockpile of highly accurate long-range missiles during its five-month war with Iran, according to three people familiar with the data, raising concerns about the military’s readiness for future conflicts. >The missiles are principally the Army’s surface-to-surface weapons, known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM). The U.S. has used “v…

Two birds with one stone for benefit of Putin. Likely son of Ayatollah wanted to get rid of his weak father and Putin wanted the US to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. So Putin asked Krasnov to get rid of Ayatollah and empty the stockpile of weapons. Trump always delivers for Russia.

That is absurd. This war is being waged for the benefit of Israel. Even the pussyfooting of the on and off strikes is to force the Arabs to sign on the so called Abraham Accords.

Once this misadventure is over, Israel goes to be the dominant power in the area, controlling the energy resources, with Arabs on the leash, US out of the area, and all potential regional rivals destroyed or neutered. note they are now shifting their aggressive propaganda against Turkey.

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Post by Philorandroid »

Arodex wrote: post #107
Philorandroid wrote: post #59

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Venezuela thought the same thing. Keeping a full-scale deployment at arm's length, and 'only' targeting military targets with exhaustive use of precision missiles is poor strategy, but if a military victory were the US's only ambition the Iranian regime has no capability that could prevent its country from being turned into a smoldering parking lot. Doctrine isn't the same as inability.

>if a military victory were the US's only ambition the Iranian regime has no capability that could prevent its country from being turned into a smoldering parking lot. I read this and I wonder, "are we back to 2003 and Iraq?" Incredible how little memory Americans have. Absolutely none. You just have no grasps on reality.

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Post by hollerith »

nemothekid wrote: post #281
WarmWash wrote: post #246

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China, in it's modern incarnation, and every living member of it's military, has never seen a single real battle. Nothing. No one has any rank that has bearing on any kind of combat. Just decades of self-congratulatory war games. China has tons of weapons and resources. But it would remain to be seen if they can actually fight when every single person along the entire chain is a total day one rookie.

I'm not sure that any of that actually matters. Wars are not Call of Duty. It's politically difficult to invest actual manpower in Iran and Unless China were to nuke Hawaii, an all out war with China would also immediately be politically unpopular. China, like Iran, wouldn't doesn't need to defeat the US, they just need to hold out long enough for the US economy to collapse, which would happen way faster if China is…

I understand why war with Iran would raise gas prices, but why would war with China?

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Post by hollerith »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #534
tintor wrote: post #354

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> The only reason we don't have $6 gas right now ... I see you are not in California.

California has both very high taxes on gas and a custom formulation that is only used in California... which is just about the most Californian thing I can think of.

The atmosphere of coastal California (i.e., where most Californians live) has about one tenth the capacity to dilute pollutants as the atmosphere of most of the rest of the US (because inversions are common especially in the summer). Air quality in coastal Southern California was awful back when California used the same gas the rest of the country did.

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Post by crote »

laughing_man wrote: post #489
renegade-otter wrote: post #440

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It IS an issue if stand-off war is your only war, and it seems to be the exclusive approach here. If you run out of long-range precision weapons, what do you have left? Boots on the ground? That's not going to happen, and that means you will never win this on and off war.

The USAF has a pretty substantial inventory of stand-off weapons, and an absolutely enormous inventory of guided bombs.

But those have to be carried in by planes, and the US doesn't have absolute control over the airspace yet, so that means risking crews.

Is the general public willing to accept downed planes, captured crews, and botched rescue attempts as the new normal?

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Post by CMay »

bettercallsalad wrote: post #434

Not an American but live here. But I don’t understand the fixation of US in middle east theatre. With the abundance of onshore oil through fracking revolution, presumably US doesn’t need to police the Middle East. The president himself said US doesn’t need their oil. So what is this conflict all about? Is there bigger geopolitical price tag attached to victory in Iran? Or US is just besieged by corruption to the exte…

It's about communism, World War 3, Israel _and_ Iraq _and_ Saudi Arabia _and_ UAE and other Middle-Eastern countries, it's about nuclear proliferation, it's about oil trade outside of the USD system, it's about China sanction proofing, it's about Taiwan, it's about terrorism, it's about Russia and many other things.

We usually don't act until the number of reasons to act reaches a threshold. We were slow to get into World War 2 as well. We wanted to act against Iran, but it was never the right time. Now with Russia, China, Venezuela and Cuba threatening war with their neighbors, the cost of not acting is too great if this network solidifies their cooperation against the US. Communists have been getting propped up all over the place, which is what we were seeing before World War 2, as communists believed they needed to achieve total global domination since they could not coexist with capitalism.

Iran has attempted to assassinate the US president multiple times as well as Netanyahu and carried out many assassinations around the world which it denied even when caught undeniably.

Russia got nukes, China got nukes, North Korea got nukes. There was every indication that Iran was aiming for nukes as well. You can't treat them like other countries that have nuclear programs, because most of those countries don't comingle with such bad actors. Similar to the communist party that wanted to control the world, Iran also has a radical group that wants to bring about the apocalypse to resurrect their prophet.

Russia also attacked Ukraine, Iran attacked Israel, but Venezuela was also going to attack its neighbor and Cuba was expanding its interference inside the US. You don't hear much about it, but it was important. It lines up with one of China's strategies to soak up US attention with crises to open up a window to take Taiwan.

If you are asking what actual information the US is acting on and what the underlying reasoning is, THIS is actually the reason. The details are vast and this is a massive abbreviation and some I haven't even mentioned even though they're relevant. People will link you to random junk, but every country has thinktanks and policymakers who get together and decide what is important for the country to act on. Who decide what the threats are and where a country's energies are best spent. These are the actual reasons. It's not simply "Israel" this or "Israel" that.

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Post by bamboozled »

greedo wrote: post #457
PowerElectronix wrote: post #19

Now they'll exhaust interceptors and other long range missiles like tomahawks and whatnot. And then China gets frisky with Taiwan and the US will totally not abandon them and tell them to just give up pressured by the lack of firepower to defend them, the risks of China getting back into bidding oil in international markets and the mess the treasury would be in if China raises capital by selling bonds (they just told…

As much as I support Taiwan, there's no realistic timeline where the US goes to war against the PRC over Taiwan. None.

War isn't just about bombs though.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

crote wrote: post #646
laughing_man wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USAF has a pretty substantial inventory of stand-off weapons, and an absolutely enormous inventory of guided bombs.

But those have to be carried in by planes, and the US doesn't have absolute control over the airspace yet, so that means risking crews. Is the general public willing to accept downed planes, captured crews, and botched rescue attempts as the new normal?

Specific detail, we don't and won't have enough control to do aerial refueling in range of Iran. Tankers aren't stealthy or fast, I'm not sure if they have any countermeasures at all.

One can look at a map of strikes and draw the line on our range, the northeast half of the country is mostly untouched.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

yubblegum wrote: post #642
varispeed wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two birds with one stone for benefit of Putin. Likely son of Ayatollah wanted to get rid of his weak father and Putin wanted the US to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. So Putin asked Krasnov to get rid of Ayatollah and empty the stockpile of weapons. Trump always delivers for Russia.

That is absurd. This war is being waged for the benefit of Israel. Even the pussyfooting of the on and off strikes is to force the Arabs to sign on the so called Abraham Accords. Once this misadventure is over, Israel goes to be the dominant power in the area, controlling the energy resources, with Arabs on the leash, US out of the area, and all potential regional rivals destroyed or neutered. note they are now shift…

I don't think anyone is that "in control", it was definitely an Israeli plan to start but they got awfully shy after Iron Dome was exhausted.
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