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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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What is the issue here? Seems like Apple wants to own people. If you don't want employees to leave for competition, pay them well enough so they don't entertain the idea. It's always employer neglecting workers and then having pikachu face.

The issue is theft of IP.

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There is no reason pay has to be flat with a union. The highest paid members of MLBPA or SAG-AFTRA are paid 1,000x what the lowest paid members are.

Interesting point. I think there might be something special about sag given the way Hollywood does business. Everyone switches employers constantly as projects spin up and wind down. Having a mostly permanent role in an organization is super unusual - and I wonder if these roles (like a 20 year soaps gig or the simpson’s) have different stats on working on/off the card.

> Interesting point. I think there might be something special about sag given the way Hollywood does business. Everyone switches employers constantly as projects spin up and wind down. Having a mostly permanent role in an organization is super unusual […]

And yet all the major US sports have player associations/unions with minimum salaries. The players are hardly constantly switching, and when they do switch it's often not their own choice but rather their employer/team trading them.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/ . If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.…

Tangentially related, but I was rewatching the old iPhone 3G keynote recently, and you wouldn't believe who made an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5xOI_qu9I&t=1649s

incredible

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #123

This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/ . If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.…

Looks like a wedding invitation

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Saw this in the legal filing: "he took advantage of an authentication bug to gain access to Apple’s confidential third-party cloud repository to download at least thirty-seven highly sensitive and proprietary technical documents related to, among other things, Apple’s hardware technologies and research and development." Anybody know what they mean by "third party" ? Who provides Apple internal employees with a cloud…

Maybe GitHub? It’s not a “cloud repository”, but possibly referring to that. And I can see how “an authentication bug” could be due to their corp Apple account being disabled, but still somehow being able to log into GitHub.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

#266

Saw this in the legal filing: "he took advantage of an authentication bug to gain access to Apple’s confidential third-party cloud repository to download at least thirty-seven highly sensitive and proprietary technical documents related to, among other things, Apple’s hardware technologies and research and development." Anybody know what they mean by "third party" ? Who provides Apple internal employees with a cloud…

what's the authentication bug?

it's a bug, in authentication

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

#267

A lot of the discussion here is pretty surprising. Saying "The information is in people's heads" is wild considering the allegations involve taking screenshots of documents, not just fond memories of working on hardware. Apple deserves a lot of criticism for how it's acted when losing employees, but these allegations are about a lot more than that.

wait I can't find "The information is in people's heads" in that article

(what's the exact phrase?)

btw, if that's the problem, why not chop it off before leaving?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I don’t know where you’re drawing your conclusions from but they literally have messages from the OpenAI exec laughing at how he can still access data at Apple and talking about copying it, as well as messages encouraging candidates from Apple to bring unreleased prototype hardware to demonstrate during interviews.

I thought those were just allegations they made in the lawsuit, not necessarily something they had written evidence of in the form of messages.

If you check page 16 of the filing here it certainly seems like they have specific messages with quotations: https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai-trade-secre...

This is one of those times where I wonder if I'm a genius for knowing not to generate evidence of a crime by talking about it in recorded media, or if we're just seeing the bottom 5% of wrongdoers.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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A lot of the discussion here is pretty surprising. Saying "The information is in people's heads" is wild considering the allegations involve taking screenshots of documents, not just fond memories of working on hardware. Apple deserves a lot of criticism for how it's acted when losing employees, but these allegations are about a lot more than that.

All openAI has to do is actually live up to their name and literally all will be forgiven among the good people in tech

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Sure, but this is about IP law instead of physical goods. This is like if you left your door wide open, and a neighbor peaked in and told another neighbor about your decor or what posters are on the walls. You didn’t lose anything tangible, but something you wanted to be secret isn’t anymore. Where the balance of blame falls is up to you, but I do think to some degree that if you want to keep a secret and can’t put i…

There are absolutely laws about IP theft. That's why it's called Intellectual Property . You really don't want the law to be "Well you didn't lose a physical thing, so why should it be illegal?"

Actually we really unironically do want it to be exactly like that. I don’t care if every negative externality claimed to happen happens tenfold as a result. Even 1/10th of the claimed positive externalities makes it so worth it.

Copyright trolls are ontologically evil.

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