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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by filoleg »

Lammy wrote: post #238
eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

> provide these vehicles for use by affordable tenants in properties with limited parking Translation: Poors are allowed to exercise their freedom of movement iff they stay in a huge corpo's good graces.

> Translation: Poors are allowed to exercise their freedom of movement iff they stay in a huge corpo's good graces.

Would it placate you, if we did it for non-poors instead then?

I am a non-poor, and I would like a free/subsidized waymo with priority mode set for sharing with my neighbors. My belief is that it would help the poors more than me, but if doing so is oppressive or freedom-restricting or smth like that, I would gladly take that burden off their hands.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by cyberax »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

Self-driving cars will kill off your kind of real estate developers once and for all. Because there is no such thing as "affordable housing".

All housing on the market is by definition "affordable". If someone buys it, then somebody can afford it. The proper term is _subsidized_ housing.

Anything subsidized is destructive in the long run.

Fortunately, self-driving cars and mild carpooling (3-4 people per car) will eliminate road congestion and allow comfortable suburban living while still having access to the dense city cores. And mild carpooling does not have the main disadvantage of transit: turtle-slow average speed.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by PsylentKnight »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

As someone who knows anything about Texas cities, I assure you that parking space is not an issue in Dallas

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by theappsecguy »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #249
oblio wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America, the place where they will try anything except for building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods.

i know multiple developers with public dollars to build housing $800k-$1.2M per unit. so i don't know, maybe come up with a better solution I'd be happy to hear your idea that is realistic and will deliver more units at a lower cost.

Have you tried "building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods"?

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Post by inigyou »

SR2Z wrote: post #241
Lammy wrote: post #240

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What percentage of “valid” legal requests are granted versus denied?

Presumably Waymo complies with their legal obligations... The point is that there's a process, it applies both to Waymo and to you as a rando. The police don't have special access to Waymo cameras.

So if I sent an email to Waymo I could get camera footage of a crime?

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Post by Lammy »

SR2Z wrote: post #241
Lammy wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of “valid” legal requests are granted versus denied?

Presumably Waymo complies with their legal obligations... The point is that there's a process, it applies both to Waymo and to you as a rando. The police don't have special access to Waymo cameras.

> The point is that there's a process

That is the opposite of reassuring, because here are the stats for those processes as a whole (just ‘requests for user information’, not broken down by data type or Google product). Currently at 84% accepance rate i.e. the ‘process’ is a formality lol: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=...

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by jerlam »

fragmede wrote: post #176
jerlam wrote: post #114

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At least in my area, Waymos are always more expensive than Ubers.

So, uh, you don't really tip your Uber drivers much then do you? Right now, Tuesday 3pm, Waymo will cost me 13.76 cross town. UberX 10.95, Lyft 11.95. If I don't tip Lyft/Uber they'll be cheaper but I definitely don't tip the Waymo.

The pricing was 30% more the last few times I used them.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by amazingamazing »

oblio wrote: post #237
amazingamazing wrote: post #221

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Too much capex

Ok, self driving buses on fixed routes. Likely 10-1000x cheaper to implement than fully autonomous cars.

Nope. Fixed routes have chaos. You would have the same problem, converging on fsd. It’s the same reason Waymo isn’t deployed everywhere now. Not to mention buses are a couple orders of magnitude more expensive than a car and would be slower for any given median occupant compared to a car.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by xnx »

Zambyte wrote: post #227
xnx wrote: post #65

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Blocked even from testing in NYC. Blocked from DC and Boston. Unfortunately this does have more to do with bad government than bad weather.

Getting around Boston is very easy. Flooding the streets with more cars won't make it easier. A government that listens to the people it governs is a good government.

Eh, the impression I got from this podcast (https://www.searchengine.show/the-trial-of-the-driverless-ca...) was that unions and other special interests were blocking something that the broader population would be interested in.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by Lammy »

filoleg wrote: post #251
Lammy wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> provide these vehicles for use by affordable tenants in properties with limited parking Translation: Poors are allowed to exercise their freedom of movement iff they stay in a huge corpo's good graces.

> Translation: Poors are allowed to exercise their freedom of movement iff they stay in a huge corpo's good graces. Would it placate you, if we did it for non-poors instead then? I am a non-poor, and I would like a free/subsidized waymo with priority mode set for sharing with my neighbors. My belief is that it would help the poors more than me, but if doing so is oppressive or freedom-restricting or smth like that, I…

The point is that some people have other options. Personally I will always choose to go where I want, when I want, in the privacy of my own vehicle. Even if Waymo were completely free I'd still choose those things, and I am thankful I have the option to choose.
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