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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

munk-a wrote: post #179
epolanski wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very interesting, because on one side we have clear data showing that autonomous cars at the Waymo level are safer than humans. On the other hand we don't give technology the same pass we give to humans, meaning that we don't tolerate machine incidents the same way we tolerate human ones. Which means that self-driving cars need to be a magnitude of order safer than humans. And even though a self-driving car will…

> or use the car as a weapon on christmas markets On the contrary, autonomous vehicles (especially if something like automated package delivery becomes an offered service) allow car bombs without the suicide bomber inside. Instead you just place an explosive in the device and send it to the intended destination - as an organization the primary concern then becomes whether the ride is traceable back to you which might…

> autonomous vehicles (especially if something like automated package delivery becomes an offered service) allow car bombs without the suicide bomber inside

Every city has courier services, including Uber.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by heylook »

epolanski wrote: post #91
smt88 wrote: post #45

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I doubt this is correct. “It’s expensive to be poor” — a lot of people who can’t afford cars (or have bad credit) end up Ubering to/from work every day

How can that be anywhere near financially sustainable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by redox99 »

culi wrote: post #154

This urbanist youtuber did a really in-depth video on what the future could look like (both good and ugly effects) if self-driving cars become enough of a success to affect the way we build infrastructure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0

I watched a bit of it and it's mostly stating their own conjectures as facts. There's nothing objective about it, it's just pushing their own personal agenda.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by asdff »

lokar wrote: post #130
cortesoft wrote: post #60

I live very close to LAX, and we have hundreds of Waymos in our area. At first i was a little weary, and kinda weirded out by all of them. They have become completely normal, and cause WAY fewer traffic incidents than human drivers. They are very predictable, and will always let you pull in front of them when changing lanes (unlike a lot of other LA drivers). I have seen a few incidents where they seem 'stuck', and i…

I took one to a show at the Hollywood Bowl. Chaotic traffic environment: lots of cars, cones, people directing traffic, pedestrians everywhere. It did great.

YMMV. I tried to order one from a bar. It got confused when it got there, did a 3 point turn in front of me then left without me.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by phoghed »

dymk wrote: post #68
smt88 wrote: post #47

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What reason would someone have not to have a credit or debit card? Credit cards are literally free money, as long as you pay the balance off on time

Credit cards are not free money lmao

They mean the rewards. You can get some % cash back with no annual fee. Effectively my credit card costs me nothing, comes from the same bank as my checking and savings, and gives me cash back.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by cft »

Good case for shorting Uber longer term. The Persian taxi driver may be a good exec but he lost the race

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by redox99 »

porphyra wrote: post #79
Sheeny96 wrote: post #35

Why are the cars so big? Wouldn't it make sense to have a bunch of much smaller, single person vehicles?

Tesla Cybercab has about three or four times the efficiency and like a fifth of the price by having smaller, two person vehicles. Indeed, the vast majority of trips are taken by single people and it's ridiculous to have a giant machine for them. It would also be okay to have a handful of larger, Model Y-sized vehicles for the multi-person trips. To actually answer your question: Part of the reason why the Waymo cars…

The cybercab would be almost perfect if it weren't for it's low height. It's easier for the elder to get into and out of taller vehicles.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

runako wrote: post #85
xnx wrote: post #65

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Blocked even from testing in NYC. Blocked from DC and Boston. Unfortunately this does have more to do with bad government than bad weather.

Boston, according to Waymo[1], is dependent on the legislature making autonomous vehicles legal. Apparently NY state laws also require a human driver at the wheel. The only surprising thing about this is that other states did not require changes in law. It's Good, Actually, that big companies are (sometimes) bound by the same laws that bind the rest of us. In any case, there are more than 2-3 "blue" states. We can no…

> that big companies are (sometimes) bound by the same laws that bind the rest of us

Not if they’re stupid laws!

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by munk-a »

andrewmutz wrote: post #163
epolanski wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very interesting, because on one side we have clear data showing that autonomous cars at the Waymo level are safer than humans. On the other hand we don't give technology the same pass we give to humans, meaning that we don't tolerate machine incidents the same way we tolerate human ones. Which means that self-driving cars need to be a magnitude of order safer than humans. And even though a self-driving car will…

> On the other hand we don't give technology the same pass we give to humans, meaning that we don't tolerate machine incidents the same way we tolerate human ones. I completely disagree with this. I don't "give a pass" to humans killing other humans with a car. Every year that skeptics delay adoption of autonomous driving is another year where tens of thousands of deaths could be prevented.

Tesla, in particular, has given those skeptics so much ammunition to be mad at. The delay isn't purely due to luddites but also somewhat driven by prior obvious bad actions by self-driving car companies.

It's also likely that if a switchover is aggressively pursued it'll cause a massive social backlash and likely evolve into a culture war issue.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by runarberg »

cortesoft wrote: post #60

I live very close to LAX, and we have hundreds of Waymos in our area. At first i was a little weary, and kinda weirded out by all of them. They have become completely normal, and cause WAY fewer traffic incidents than human drivers. They are very predictable, and will always let you pull in front of them when changing lanes (unlike a lot of other LA drivers). I have seen a few incidents where they seem 'stuck', and i…

Whenever I visit San Francisco I get the sense that these robo-taxis are nothing but public transit for those who are willing and able to spend extra money.

I would not compare the user experience to drivers, or the safety record to private cars. I would compare the user experience and the safety record to human driven taxis, buses, light rail, and metro. I am curious if the rider experience is actually any better then taking the M train from the Castro to SF state or the 49 bus between the Mission and Geary. The latter is certainly cheaper, and orders of magnitude more efficient.

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