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Most tech revolutions made work worse for employees

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Re: Most tech revolutions made work worse for employees

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I personally think a good balance between tech and employees was the late 1980s.

You still had to hire people to do work and tech was good enough to help them out. As tech advanced, people started trusting what the systems said even if blatantly wrong and people started loosing work.

Re: Most tech revolutions made work worse for employees

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This feels wrong. Did the vacuum make cleaning worse for employees? What about sewing machines? Modern looms?

It is probably a safe case that most tech revolutions reduced the number of needed employees for most things. But even then, it would be great if this would provide evidence of that!

Notably, it isn't like people strongly missed this work! Yes, there are fewer secretaries. But there aren't none, and the ones that were responsible for being a scribe to bad bosses almost certainly don't miss that work.

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This feels wrong. Did the vacuum make cleaning worse for employees? What about sewing machines? Modern looms? It is probably a safe case that most tech revolutions reduced the number of needed employees for most things. But even then, it would be great if this would provide evidence of that! Notably, it isn't like people strongly missed this work! Yes, there are fewer secretaries. But there aren't none, and the ones…

Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long.

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This feels wrong. Did the vacuum make cleaning worse for employees? What about sewing machines? Modern looms? It is probably a safe case that most tech revolutions reduced the number of needed employees for most things. But even then, it would be great if this would provide evidence of that! Notably, it isn't like people strongly missed this work! Yes, there are fewer secretaries. But there aren't none, and the ones…

Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long.

The 8-hour workday movement in the US predates Marxism, let alone communism.

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I'm sure forcing workers to use the chatbot that drives people to suicide is going to go great yeah.

I just tried to check if one of my 8BitDo controller buttons can be remapped to guide button and now I want to kill myself too. It’s hard for me to accept that this shit is taking peoples jobs.

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This feels wrong. Did the vacuum make cleaning worse for employees? What about sewing machines? Modern looms? It is probably a safe case that most tech revolutions reduced the number of needed employees for most things. But even then, it would be great if this would provide evidence of that! Notably, it isn't like people strongly missed this work! Yes, there are fewer secretaries. But there aren't none, and the ones…

Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long.

> Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long.

Anyone who has ever worked a physical labor job will be rolling their eyes at this.

There are more dimensions to labor than the number of hours worked. Imagine doing a construction job without power tools or searching through folders of documents instead of using the search function on your computer. Labor saving devices are everywhere and they’ve reduced the amount of labor required during the workday by a huge amount.

EDIT: I guess I wasn’t clear because the replies are still focusing on hours. The point I’m trying to make is labor isn’t only measured in hours. An 8 hour workday of writing code, checking Slack, and sending emails is vastly easier than 8 hours of construction work in terms of physical labor. If you can only see “labor” as number of hours worked, you probably haven’t had a difficult manual labor job ever.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long.

> Labour saving devices do not save any labour for the employees, their workday is just as long. Anyone who has ever worked a physical labor job will be rolling their eyes at this. There are more dimensions to labor than the number of hours worked. Imagine doing a construction job without power tools or searching through folders of documents instead of using the search function on your computer. Labor saving devices…

Yet people still have to work the same number of hours each day - they are performing the same amount of labor, just in a different form.
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