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Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by StrawberryFrog » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 1:00 PM UTC

makecheck wrote: post #3

The article suggests Jobs himself be in charge of these companies. But it would be a step in the right direction for a manager to simply observe what Jobs did when he first returned to Apple. In particular, Jobs axed all the different Mac models being developed, and made a single compelling product: the iMac. This focused the business, and created a market. It wouldn't take Jobs himself to do this with automakers. In…

"The article suggests Jobs himself be in charge of these companies."

It does, and I think that's a basic mistake. If Steve Jobs was "a Steve Jobs" right now, he wouldn't be off sick from Apple for six months.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by RKlophaus » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 1:18 PM UTC

tlb wrote: post #7

browngeek wrote: post #5

What the car industry needs is a reboot. The 1908 Ford Model T had a 4-cylinder engine, ran on 4 wheels, used gasoline, with a mileage of 20mpg. A hundred years later, the basics are still the same. Why put billions more in a dead-end industry? The government should instead invest in new ways of building cars. Like the Aptera 2e ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_hybrid_car ) which is fundamentally changing the wa…

I'm #1607 on the waiting list for an Aptera. I signed up because I had complained so often that there was no electric car you could actually buy, and people kept telling me I just didn't try hard enough. So far I'm right, and I predict I'll never actually get mine. When the CEO brags that they have 45 circuit boards [1], I can already read the company's obituary. But maybe they'll pull it off, and I'll have a really…

45 circuit boards? Maybe what the car industry needs is not a Steve Jobs, but rather a Steve Wozniak.

Woz figured out how to drastically minimize the number of hardware components on the Apple II. He could cut those 45 circuit boards down to 4.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by calambrac » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 1:19 PM UTC

And a pony.

Isn't this like saying poor people need money and hungry people need food? Are we really giving our attention to someone saying, "The solution is to fix it!"?

And maybe this guy didn't notice, but at least one of the American auto companies, Ford, actually has some pretty competent management. They're dealing with their union problems and investing in sustainable technologies (both in the vehicles they produces and the way they produce them), and Fords these days suck quite a bit less than other American brands.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by bianco » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 1:36 PM UTC

What american car industry needs is european or japanese or korean spirit. Any of the mentioned industries invested much more in development than the american one, which slept for too long (at least the big ones).

This was the conclusion of someone I talked to, working in that exact industry.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by thras » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 2:39 PM UTC

electromagnetic wrote: post #4

makecheck wrote: post #3

The article suggests Jobs himself be in charge of these companies. But it would be a step in the right direction for a manager to simply observe what Jobs did when he first returned to Apple. In particular, Jobs axed all the different Mac models being developed, and made a single compelling product: the iMac. This focused the business, and created a market. It wouldn't take Jobs himself to do this with automakers. In…

The other thing Automakers haven't got yet is that like 80% of people want a cheap fuel efficient vehicle. I would rather pay $4000 for a vehicle and have nothing except a 4* safety rating than pay $20,000 have a 4* average safety rating with a bajillion gadgets all priced at like $500 for something that costs $5 max to make. Everybody on the fucking planet knows a 5 disc CD player with a line-in doesn't cost $500 to…

It is an article of faith for the Democrats to think that. And the Administration may tell the car manufacturers to produce fewer SUVs as a condition of their bailout. But as another poster has already pointed out, the average American wants an SUV.

This will lead to problems.

Also, if you're really interested in safety you may not realize that safety ratings only compare cars in the same class. More weight is generally more safety. And if you don't drink and always wear your seatbelts, the rollover fatality risk of SUVs goes down 90%, making them very safe. In my Southwestern home state, where everybody drives either a pickup or an SUV, I didn't think for a second about getting a small car. When that drunk from the reservation inevitably runs into me, I don't want my tiny SmartCar to crumple under his F350.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by alexbosworth » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 3:01 PM UTC

This is pretty link-baitey even for Techcrunch let alone Hacker News

Ford's current CEO Alan Mulally is actually pretty good - I met him when he was still director of engineering for the 777 - under him Ford has made some good moves, such as building a large capital base just before the credit crunch hit.

Ford also already makes some good cars, they just don't sell them in the US - they need to pull some EU models over to the states

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by jerf » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 3:38 PM UTC

tlb wrote: post #8

browngeek wrote: post #5

What the car industry needs is a reboot. The 1908 Ford Model T had a 4-cylinder engine, ran on 4 wheels, used gasoline, with a mileage of 20mpg. A hundred years later, the basics are still the same. Why put billions more in a dead-end industry? The government should instead invest in new ways of building cars. Like the Aptera 2e ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_hybrid_car ) which is fundamentally changing the wa…

Why do you think there should be 300 car companies? Can you point to another manufacturing industry where hundreds of players collectively have significant market share?

Yes. The car industry in the early twentieth century. Car companies coming out of every moderately-well-off mechanic's garage.

Yes, it eventually consolidated. It will again. But we're not going to get from here to there without some competition that just isn't going to come from the established players, for a variety of reasons.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by vaksel » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 4:03 PM UTC

What the car industry needs is a restructuring.

Let them go bankrupt and sell off useless assets. There is no need for them to make 3 different versions of the same car for 3 different brands.

Then they need to stop making 50 million different options. There is absolutely no reason to make cars completely customizable. Consumer confusion is not a good thing. All you need is 3 trims, a) DX model - the cheapest model available lacks the premium features(cd changer, heated seats, power windows) b) LX model - has all the missing parts c) EX model - has the premium features like bigger wheels, heated mirrors etc.

Then they need to start closing off dealerships, this isn't starbucks where the price is fixed, your dealers are negotiating prices, when you have 2 dealers, a block from each other, your average car price goes down, which hurts your resale values.

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by kyochan » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 4:32 PM UTC

access_denied wrote: post #9

kyochan wrote: post #2

I would like to see Steve Jobs deal with CAFE standards and union contracts. GM doesn't need help creating high-end products either (see ZR-1, G8, CTS-V, etc. the marketing needs improvement though), so can jobs design and market the car equivalent of a Netbook?

Here in Germany we have very strong unions. The system we have here would be called communism by right-wing american standards. In Europe we call it social capitalism. With this system, we are building the best cars in the world for decades. I am sure Steve Jobs could manage a Porsche successful, within the european system.

Porsche is a low volume automaker in America so they are exempt from CAFE standards. They also only sell high margin vehicles so they can take the high labor costs.

The issue is not GM being unable to build the best cars in the world (compare Corvette ZR-1 to a 911 GT2), it's the lousy way they approach CAFE standards (Aveo, Cobalt). Can Porsche design and market a car that goes 35 mpg?

Re: Letter to Obama: What the Car Industry Needs Is A Steve Jobs

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Post by ryanmahoski » Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 4:34 PM UTC

tlb wrote: post #6

electromagnetic wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing Automakers haven't got yet is that like 80% of people want a cheap fuel efficient vehicle. I would rather pay $4000 for a vehicle and have nothing except a 4* safety rating than pay $20,000 have a 4* average safety rating with a bajillion gadgets all priced at like $500 for something that costs $5 max to make. Everybody on the fucking planet knows a 5 disc CD player with a line-in doesn't cost $500 to…

The numbers say otherwise. 51% of all vehicles sold in the US in December 2008 were pickups or SUVs. [1] Average vehicle sales price is $25,000 [2], despite the existence of nice cheap fuel-efficient cars like the Yaris at $12,000. Dagres' suggestion that cars should be more about electronic gadgets is wrongheaded. Cars last 10 years, gadgets are obsolete after 3. You want a car + an iPhone, the second of which you'l…

Why does the installation of new electronic components have to be such a headache? We don't even have wifi in our cars today. To get a standard cubicle feature in your car it's a PITA DIY project. Maybe we need to design with customizability and modularity in mind.

Take mobile music for example. There is no respect for wifi or CRUD. If you want internet variety you're stuck with either an iPod or a CD player. Wouldn't we all like access to last.fm, pandora or a simplified version of itunes in our cars? Wouldn't it be nice if, whenever your car was in an open wifi area, it synced account preferences and pulled appropriate new content? You should be able to blacklist tracks and podcasts on the fly. Instead you have to remember preferences in your head so that the next time you sit down at your computer you can edit your playlist.

I think Detroit should open up standard panels in the dashboard so commuters can snap out last year's modules and plug in this year's technology. Nobody wants to perform majory surgery on their car, they just want to pop in whatever 3rd party vendors are selling this year. Break the rules, Detroit, and open up an API so 3rd party developers can access a few standard buttons.