I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class.
I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
Waymo CEO explains why Tesla’s camera-only self-driving falls short
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#22$60,000 for car with sensors? I'm delighted to hear Waymo may be anticipating such low price points: "We are hearing that Waymo is close to having its entire package (car + Waymo sensor suite and driver) at around $60,000"
The 100% tariffs on Chinese cars have been the biggest obstacle from not getting to that cost point sooner.
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#23I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
If Teslas could self drive you could sit in the back seat, or sleep, or send the car somewhere without being in it. Elon really wants them to, but Tesla's do not self drive.
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#24I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
"self-driving" in better than ideal conditions.
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#25I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
You can't purchase a level 3 Tesla at any price, either.
To me, true self-driving starts at level 3. Otherwise, it's supervised.
And Tesla selling their product as "Full Self Driving (Supervised)" is like selling "Fully Cooked Meal (Frozen)". No! You call it a "frozen meal"!
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#26I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
You can't buy a self-driving Tesla today. Even Tesla tells you that in the fine print. Its self-driving (supervised). If it was actually self driving, they wouldn't be saying (supervised).
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#27Right. But are $200K worth of extra sensors actually worth it or are 10+ cameras already safe enough? This article makes no attempt to answer the actual meat of the question. Ultimately, people will vote with their wallet. p.s. I wonder if you could prevent glare by placing an LCD-like device in front of the lens dynamically blocking out the sun.
> But are $200K worth of extra sensors actually worth it
Of course not!
So, you may be surprised to find that Waymo's sensor package doesn't cost $200k. Whoops!
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#28I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.
What does this have to do with anything at all?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
If 2x Mk 1 eyeballs are good enough then I figure cameras can get there too. Or are we going to outlaw that as well because of competitive incentives of Waymo?
Do you have any conception of how massively, incomprehensibly, extremely superior our sensory system is to any kind of camera-based computer vision we can make?
In terms of dynamic range and color space? Yes absolutely. But for driving you don't really need a huge color space and for dynamic range you can just use separate cameras for daytime and nighttime.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
If 2x Mk 1 eyeballs are good enough then I figure cameras can get there too. Or are we going to outlaw that as well because of competitive incentives of Waymo?
Do you have any conception of how massively, incomprehensibly, extremely superior our sensory system is to any kind of camera-based computer vision we can make?
Tesla fanboys aren't known for logic or rigorous thinking.