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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by irishcoffee »

yifanl wrote: post #318
pandinus wrote: post #301

"There's no such thing as public opinion, merely published opinion". While on the one hand we should never discount the impact of incompetence, gross negligence, or deliberate mismanagement there's a reason this story is circulating. For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. Suspicious me likens it to the supposed "wa…

> For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. This is a concerning statement, as it implies it'd be impossible for the United States to lose an engagement regardless of any and all evidence.

How’s this. I can tell you with absolute certainty the US has a lot of munitions, they have not run out.

Let’s stop pretending that the only reason Iran isn’t glass at the moment is because of the good will of the US.

Unbelievable.

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Post by overfeed »

joemi wrote: post #369
pendenthistory wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not American, need to preface with this) I think the US military has shown itself to be extremely competent in the last war. Reading about Desert Storm and later the invasion of Iraq it's just insane. It's still possible they miscalculated how rapidly warfare would change, but to call them morons... As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine, and the US is or…

> As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine What in your view makes these ones proven and other ones not proven?

I was left scratching my head why Ukraine would be there, but not Iran, on the basis that it too has stood its ground in what the superpower aggressor planned to be short and decisive conflict.

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Post by Maxion »

laughing_man wrote: post #286

>The U.S. Army has used up much of its stockpile of highly accurate long-range missiles during its five-month war with Iran, according to three people familiar with the data, raising concerns about the military’s readiness for future conflicts. >The missiles are principally the Army’s surface-to-surface weapons, known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM). The U.S. has used “v…

PrSM has been in production for only a short time, and ATACMS stocks were never high. Neither of these are the backbone of US long-range precision strike weapons. Article is misleading.

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Post by adventured »

LastTrain wrote: post #363
pendenthistory wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not American, need to preface with this) I think the US military has shown itself to be extremely competent in the last war. Reading about Desert Storm and later the invasion of Iraq it's just insane. It's still possible they miscalculated how rapidly warfare would change, but to call them morons... As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine, and the US is or…

You think the US has shown itself as to be extremely competent in the Iran war? If you were talking about Iraq, that was completely different leadership.

How many lives has the US lost? What has Iran lost so far in the conflict with the US and Israel (a conflict which is not over)? The propaganda attempting to spin this as setting up as a strategic defeat for the US, is almost comical.

As is, the US can stand-off and torment Iran for a very, very long time.

$31 trillion economy. $94,000 GDP per capita (nearly 3x Japan for reference). The US can spend $100 billion annually on bombing Iran for the next decade entirely without harming its economy in a meaningful way.

The US doesn't have to let off. Iran is pinned, massively eroded, and the US is only losing money. Iran has lost all of its proxies, its military is entirely broken (and fully capable of waging a guerrilla conflict), its navy is gone, its airforce is gone, its military manufacturing is substantially eroded, and Russia is boiling. The reason the US is going back and forth on peace, is for the same exact same reason it's in the US interest to bleed Russia. It's this: let's pretend we want peace, while we endlessly grind Iran down.

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Post by firesteelrain »

rbanffy wrote: post #190
bluegatty wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US has 600 air refuelling aircraft and 40 naval supply ships. US power is mostly strategic, it's 'Air Based' which gives the kind of instant leverage leaders like. It's 'Aircraft Carrier Based'. The US doesn't have that same overwhelming ability otherwise. You can't quite an Army overseas - it takes a different kind of logistics esp. in Pacific, one the US doesn't quite have the level of sophistication. Don't get me…

I believe GP was being sarcastic.

I was not

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Post by yifanl »

jonnybgood wrote: post #380
LastTrain wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think the US has shown itself as to be extremely competent in the Iran war? If you were talking about Iraq, that was completely different leadership.

The US killed almost the entire Iranian regime leadership with minimal cost. What definition of competence are you going by?

And then what happened?

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Post by yifanl »

irishcoffee wrote: post #381
yifanl wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. This is a concerning statement, as it implies it'd be impossible for the United States to lose an engagement regardless of any and all evidence.

How’s this. I can tell you with absolute certainty the US has a lot of munitions, they have not run out. Let’s stop pretending that the only reason Iran isn’t glass at the moment is because of the good will of the US. Unbelievable.

I agree that if things were different, things would be different, but I'm not sure what this adds to the conversation.

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Post by firesteelrain »

breppp wrote: post #240
thinkindie wrote: post #156

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According to the US administration Iran military was supposed to be obliterated, and still. Either way, they have figure out they have a much cheaper way to hold Trump by the balls, and let him dance to their tune. I believe Ukraine and Iran are showing that there is a new level of inflicting damage to your aggressor.

They are mainly using the known fact that there's no chance in hell that the US will invade Iran with ground forces. They also previously negotiated as if this war would never start, so they might make a mistake as this is Trump after all. In any case, Iran is not in a prime position either, it has many economic assets that can be completely destroyed as it has no air defense and then leave them in a much worse situa…

Iran is a paper tiger.

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Post by organsnyder »

jonnybgood wrote: post #380
LastTrain wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think the US has shown itself as to be extremely competent in the Iran war? If you were talking about Iraq, that was completely different leadership.

The US killed almost the entire Iranian regime leadership with minimal cost. What definition of competence are you going by?

I'd argue that seriously upending global energy markets (and perhaps the entire economy) is quite a high cost.

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Post by Lewton »

jonnybgood wrote: post #380
LastTrain wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think the US has shown itself as to be extremely competent in the Iran war? If you were talking about Iraq, that was completely different leadership.

The US killed almost the entire Iranian regime leadership with minimal cost. What definition of competence are you going by?

“With minimal cost”

Are you trolling

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