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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by layman51 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #337
pandinus wrote: post #301

"There's no such thing as public opinion, merely published opinion". While on the one hand we should never discount the impact of incompetence, gross negligence, or deliberate mismanagement there's a reason this story is circulating. For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. Suspicious me likens it to the supposed "wa…

>For the most-dominant military power in the world Russia kept saying its the second most powerful military in the world and now it's the second most powerful military in Ukraine. You can't just keep saying words and then think they're true because you keep repeating them. There's no secret US weapons factories hidden away somewhere, the inadequacy of the US industrial base to maintain production for long term war ha…

I was thinking about this too because some years ago, there was a ranking article that’s now unavailable by the U.S. News and World Report (more famous for its college and university rankings) that had listed Russia as the strongest military.[1] A lot of people were questioning or poking fun at the ranking because of how Russia was struggling with Ukraine. Also, a lot of people seem to confuse analysis with endorsement or validation. But really it’s important to note that a lot of stuff also has to do with how information is very sensitive and can influence a lot of people. If mainstream media can be believed, the U.S. is also struggling a lot with Iran right now, but you might not realize that if you mainly used Trump’s Truth social posts as your only source of info.

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220313151414/https://www.usnew...

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Post by estearum »

ericmay wrote: post #296
estearum wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NATO exercises and, ya know, the war in Iran, seem to suggest there's limited applicability of the US's experience.

Dropping bombs and evading live anti-aircraft fire is of limited applicability? Are you sure you're not confusing combined arms exercises that the US has, and continues to engage in (Venezuela comes to mind recently) with your personal opinion on the validity of the war in Iran?

Uhh yes. I am sure.

A smash and grab in Venezuela is not Iran and Iran is not China.

The closest analog we have to war with China is Ukraine/Russia. All evidence from NATO exercises and investigations is that Ukr/Rus conflict has virtually no relevance to OEF, OIF, or The Caracas Kidnapping.

Iran is a little taste of what's going in Ukr/Rus, but obviously China would be able to wield the same type of war at orders of magnitude greater intensity.

My comment was quite specific on my claim. You have provided zero evidence against it, and instead are just doing this weird presumptive ad hominem thing?

If you were paying attention to what's actually going on in modern battlefields, you'd know that in fact you're right: "dropping bombs and evading AA fire" is actually of limited applicability! Great examples! There are no bombs being dropped. Virtually no humans are being shot at with anti-aircraft fire. That's what I'm pointing out.

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Post by LastTrain »

pendenthistory wrote: post #347
justin66 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. Wow, yeah, you'd need to have morons at the top of the chain of command and subordinates afraid to speak out in order for something like that to happen. Nothing like the US government today at all.

(Not American, need to preface with this) I think the US military has shown itself to be extremely competent in the last war. Reading about Desert Storm and later the invasion of Iraq it's just insane. It's still possible they miscalculated how rapidly warfare would change, but to call them morons... As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine, and the US is or…

You think the US has shown itself as to be extremely competent in the Iran war? If you were talking about Iraq, that was completely different leadership.

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Post by estearum »

ericmay wrote: post #314
mplewis wrote: post #310

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brother, how do you think this is going for us

I think that's a separate question from the validity of real-life combat experience that American (and other) forces are gaining that Chinese forces lack, with respect to the OP.

The claim above is that neither side has experience that's all that relevant to the type of conflict we'd expect in a China/US conflict.

Nothing to do with "validity." Your lived experience (or whoever's you're defending) is valid.

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Post by plasticsoprano »

foo12bar wrote: post #355
plasticsoprano wrote: post #330

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Sure. I bet the Military Times also used the IRCG as a source. https://www.militarytimes.com/industry/techwatch/2026/08/04/... Probably Reuters too https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-used-virtually-all-its-...

The CNBC article's source is "as reported by Reuters", and the Military Times article is just a reprint of the Reuters Article, if you look, immediately under the headline it states "By Reuters". So there is only one news outlet reporting on it, Reuters, and the rest are just reporting on the reporting.

Hey, you did more validation than the guy I was responding to! Kudos.

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Post by joemi »

pendenthistory wrote: post #347
justin66 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the most-dominant military power in the world to "whoopsy" run out of weapons because of a low-stakes engagement isn't readily believable. Wow, yeah, you'd need to have morons at the top of the chain of command and subordinates afraid to speak out in order for something like that to happen. Nothing like the US government today at all.

(Not American, need to preface with this) I think the US military has shown itself to be extremely competent in the last war. Reading about Desert Storm and later the invasion of Iraq it's just insane. It's still possible they miscalculated how rapidly warfare would change, but to call them morons... As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine, and the US is or…

> As far as I can see, there are only three proven militaries in the world, the US, Israel and Ukraine

What in your view makes these ones proven and other ones not proven?

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Post by Waterluvian »

jimmydoe wrote: post #365

used? as if it's paper towel wipe up some dirt? this is so depressing. USA people, do you all really love killing other human? or you have no control of your democratically elected government at all?

Didn't Americans kill something like 150 Iranian school girls and basically nothing came of it?
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