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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by EA-3167 »

hingler36 wrote: post #114

A lot of the discussion here is pretty surprising. Saying "The information is in people's heads" is wild considering the allegations involve taking screenshots of documents, not just fond memories of working on hardware. Apple deserves a lot of criticism for how it's acted when losing employees, but these allegations are about a lot more than that.

If OpenAI is willing to encourage people to commit literal crimes on their behalf as clumsily as we've seen evidence of, why would they hesitate to try and shift opinion on a site like this? Plus there has always been a bitter contingent of devs that hate the terms of getting on the App Store, and people who hate any hardware they can't fully control from the NAND up.

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Post by thewebguyd »

Melatonic wrote: post #128

Saw this in the legal filing: "he took advantage of an authentication bug to gain access to Apple’s confidential third-party cloud repository to download at least thirty-seven highly sensitive and proprietary technical documents related to, among other things, Apple’s hardware technologies and research and development." Anybody know what they mean by "third party" ? Who provides Apple internal employees with a cloud…

Could be any of the usual big names I'd suspect? Box, something from Atlassian, or maybe some home rolled thing on top of S3 or GCP?

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

kbelder wrote: post #151
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isomorphic plagiarism by definition must steal from experts/creatives, chat/markup users, and or other models. Compaction and dynamic granularity encoding only abstract the Micky Mouse trademarked logo lurking in almost every model. =3

>Isomorphic plagiarism by definition must steal from experts/creatives You seem to want to be precise, so you should probably use a different term than 'stealing'. It, by definition, is not the correct term.

stealing: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission."

A Trademark is considered intellectual property. It is theft, and Disney could still drop a boot on the industry. Similar works found in high-dimension vector search spaces also do not escape legal peril in copyright similarity cases.

Perhaps some conflated the methodology of training and use of generative mechanisms with the legal interpretation of "uncopyrightable" output in commercial settings. =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgYMH6n004

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Post by paxys »

mock-possum wrote: post #168
charlesfries wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangentially related, but I was rewatching the old iPhone 3G keynote recently, and you wouldn't believe who made an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5xOI_qu9I&t=1649s

Wow red polo with a green polo underneath and double popped collars That’s a brave look

2000s Silicon Valley chic

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Post by thewebguyd »

dannyw wrote: post #106
nrmitchi wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Apple had published all of the details/data publicly, then they publicly could. But that is not the claim, and no one is even pretending that that's what happened.

The idea of companies like OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, but also NVIDIA (so probably everyone) paying bitcoin (or having conversations about such at least) to 'fugitive sites' like Anna's Archive for a full download of their illegally acquired piracy archive would have been laughed out 5 years ago. My post was more of a joke, how "AI training" is now a get-out-of-jail free card.

It's probably not as much of a joke as we want to believe, given the current administration in power and the potential 5% stake in OpenAi via Kushner's firm, and how SamA can just pull the "national security...Chinese labs something something" argument along with some bribe money and potentially make this whole thing disappear.

With the corruption so blatant and on public display now, and with how much the labs have been trying to sell "too big to fail" to the government, the standard rules no longer apply when it comes to anything involving these labs.

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Post by usefulcat »

charlesfries wrote: post #156
paxys wrote: post #123

This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/ . If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.…

Tangentially related, but I was rewatching the old iPhone 3G keynote recently, and you wouldn't believe who made an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5xOI_qu9I&t=1649s

"You'll never have to eat lunch alone--or at a bad place--again"

Classic SV

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by dylan604 »

caycep wrote: post #164
paxys wrote: post #123

This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/ . If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.…

I wonder why so many ex apple followed this particular path of Kool Aid? or maybe this says more about how the rank and file are just as susceptible to kool aid as any average Silicon Valley schmuck

The slurping of the kool-aid is not limited to SV. I've seen it at a couple of companies I've worked at in the past. Both were media/post type of studios where one you've probably heard of before and the other probably not. They both had employees that had their tongues stained the color of the kool-aid they drank. Seeing people wearing the SWAG shirts and hats of the company they work for in the office is just so cringe to me.

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Post by thewebguyd »

user43928 wrote: post #163
thewebguyd wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the filing: The stolen files, NAMED: >DisplayNotes.key — "several hundred pages" on Apple's custom display power development program >Architecture analyses. Fabrication decisions. Testing results >Engineering data for an UNANNOUNCED Apple product: 'touch, display, and power systems" >Final.key + V2.key — compilations of two undisclosed Apple R&D projects >and those are "only four of the dozens of proprietary doc…

I had a quick look at the texts released by OpenAI, and it looked to me like a former Apple employee was sharing info and documents with a current Apple employee in an attempt to help out. I do not know whether this lines up with the claims of stolen files. The second part reads to me like they asked some company to perform a special metal finishing, knowing that they perform similar work for Apple. I am no lawyer an…

> I am no lawyer and I do not understand what is proprietary to Apple here, it just does not sound that big a deal to me.

The special technique is the IP. In hardware manufacturing, the process is the IP and can be considered a trade secret, so even if that supplier does metal finishing for a ton of different clients, Apple's specific "recipe" or whatever is a legally protected trade secret, they would not be allowed to do it for anyone else.

Apple is alleging a little more than going and asking the supplier to do it though, in the lawsuit they are alleging the former employee leveraged their own relationship with the supplier to present the request as if Apple had approved it (to use their wording "Misleading the partner to believe they had Apple's permission to do so").

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Post by astrange »

dylan604 wrote: post #177
caycep wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why so many ex apple followed this particular path of Kool Aid? or maybe this says more about how the rank and file are just as susceptible to kool aid as any average Silicon Valley schmuck

The slurping of the kool-aid is not limited to SV. I've seen it at a couple of companies I've worked at in the past. Both were media/post type of studios where one you've probably heard of before and the other probably not. They both had employees that had their tongues stained the color of the kool-aid they drank. Seeing people wearing the SWAG shirts and hats of the company they work for in the office is just so cr…

Some people just don't like buying shirts.

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Post by cyanregiment »

It's like a cartoon where the monkey finds the ruby, another takes it from his hand, another takes it from his hand, then a gorilla bonks them on the head and runs off with it, only to have it snatched by a swinging monkey who loses it to a python who drops it into the mouth of an alligator... who brings it deep underwater... accidentally swimming into the mouth of a giant whale, where inside the whale is an island where he coughs up the ruby, it's ejected out the blowhole high into the air before landing atop a tree and hitting every branch on the way down landing before a monkey who finds the ruby, another takes it from his hand, another takes it from his hand...
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