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Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

wat10000 wrote: post #103
trevorhinesley wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Tony and Steve were friends, that's not Apple being cutthroat. Cue: the chapter about poaching from friends in Ben Horowitz's The Hard Thing About Hard Things. If you cross that line and poach from your friends, expect to hear about it. Another example: https://www.reddit.com/r/EntrepreneurRideAlong/comments/1jgz...

It's worse. "Cutthroat" implies being ruthless but legitimate. So-called "poaching" is completely moral and legal, whereas trying to get others not to "poach" "your" employees is immoral and illegal. There's a bright, clear line between targeted attempts to hire someone who has a job working for a competitor, and trying to get that person to take confidential information with them when they switch jobs. The latter is…

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Post by slashdave »

pclowes wrote: post #63

Apple is historically successfully secretive. I suspect their security “lapses” are more along the lines of “give them enough rope to thoroughly hang themselves”

Why do think they would want to be vindictive? The point is to prevent leaks, leaving lapses is exactly counter to that goal.

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Post by hingler36 »

A lot of the discussion here is pretty surprising. Saying "The information is in people's heads" is wild considering the allegations involve taking screenshots of documents, not just fond memories of working on hardware. Apple deserves a lot of criticism for how it's acted when losing employees, but these allegations are about a lot more than that.

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Post by mosura »

namuol wrote: post #97

What’s the speculation about what leaked? Are we talking about next-gen on-device neural accelerators or something along those lines?

One of the things mentioned was specific metal finishing techniques for manufacturing.

The implication being at least some of this is to do with OpenAI making consumer hardware, as designed by Ives.

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Post by slashdave »

ofjcihen wrote: post #4

OpenAIs response: https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/ Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

I mean... who has control over OpenAI's web page? No self-respecting PR firm would do something like this. And Counsel must be hopping mad.

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Post by mosura »

modeless wrote: post #83
pclowes wrote: post #63

Apple is historically successfully secretive. I suspect their security “lapses” are more along the lines of “give them enough rope to thoroughly hang themselves”

Apple leaks like a sieve. The extreme secrecy culture is a pointless drag on productivity, maintained long past its usefulness for the sole benefit of the execs practicing their Steve Jobs "one more thing" keynote cargo cult.

What is curious is Apple quality was much higher when they were secretive.

The idea that it is a drag on productivity is self evidently wrong based on results.

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Post by paxys »

When I was interviewing for a new software job a couple years ago every company wanted to know details about past projects. What I built, what technical decisions I took, what scale I operated at, what the setbacks were, what was the final result. Some companies even made the round presentation style, like a real tech spec review, and you had to present slides and architecture diagrams. And the project had to be real, something you had actually worked on at your current job.

"But all this stuff is confidential, I can't really talk about it."

"Well too bad. If you want the job, figure it out."

So I did what probably thousands of engineers in silicon valley do every day, and leaked company IP. It got me the job, and I'm pretty sure all the interviewers forgot about what I said 5 minutes later. But in practice every tech interviewee and every company doing interviews today (including Apple) can be charged with most of what Apple is alleging.

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Post by user43928 »

ifwinterco wrote: post #80
giancarlostoro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.

Some industries (e.g. law) are close knit, at the top level everyone knows everyone, you’d get blacklisted for pulling stuff like this. But tech isn’t like that, there’s always a new startup and a new VC firm that don’t care that you ripped off every single previous person you worked with, stole trade secrets… maybe this time will be different

In the hiring process for tech, is it common to have a background check that unearths your mishandling of trade secrets?

Or maybe word gets around locally or for special research positions.

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

slashdave wrote: post #113
josefritzishere wrote: post #13

AI seems to always be stealing from someone

Please don't assume the entire AI industry behaves like OpenAI

Isomorphic plagiarism by definition must steal from experts/creatives, chat/markup users, and or other models.

Compaction and dynamic granularity encoding only abstract the Micky Mouse trademarked logo lurking in almost every model. =3

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