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When AI Benchmarks Plateau: A Systematic Study of Benchmark Saturation

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This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression. If the Pareto rule is any indicator, 80% of results come from 20% of causes. It seems that we have alot more to learn about intelligence. I am reminded of a statement on truth from an ancient philosopher, this sentiment seems to be exactly the opposite of the LLM training paradigm…

The seeker of truth must also hold his breath.

Re: When AI Benchmarks Plateau: A Systematic Study of Benchmark Saturation

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This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression. If the Pareto rule is any indicator, 80% of results come from 20% of causes. It seems that we have alot more to learn about intelligence. I am reminded of a statement on truth from an ancient philosopher, this sentiment seems to be exactly the opposite of the LLM training paradigm…

>This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression.

It's just inadequate benchmarks. Anyone who has used Fable for anything particularly difficult will have seen that it's miles ahead of Opus 5.0, yet the majority of benchmarks are completely unable to capture this.

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Do you draw that conclusion from the fact that AI surprisingly quickly reaches the end of each ruler we try to measure it with?

Can't call it AI like that without discrediting yourself. You mean LLMs?

Talk about moving the goalposts. Pray tell, exactly what must an LLM do before you're willing to consider it AI? Be specific, otherwise you're just woo-mongering.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you draw that conclusion from the fact that AI surprisingly quickly reaches the end of each ruler we try to measure it with?

Can't call it AI like that without discrediting yourself. You mean LLMs?

Jumping in here, frankly I hate the trend of calling every type of automation intelligence.

Most "AI" is really an optimization algorithm in software tools, same as its always been. This really isnt anything new, aside from adding a chatbot / MCP interface to the same tools.

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Do you draw that conclusion from the fact that AI surprisingly quickly reaches the end of each ruler we try to measure it with?

Its not really that surprising when models are trained on the exams

I work in AI evaluation, lots of problems and leakage is an issue as is ecological validity, but they definitely do not explain the progress we see.

I think Epoch has the best analysis I’ve seen on evaluation trends; they use IRT to basically model a variety of benchmark difficulties, and then model a capability parameter for each model. This is as robust a sort of “meta-study” of evaluations as I’ve seen and the trend in capabilities show no sign of slowing down.

So I think people’s feelings clash with reality, and that’s because releases are more frequent and the jumps between releases are smaller, but the growth in capabilities _over time_ has not changed for the better or worse over a very very long period of time.

Re: When AI Benchmarks Plateau: A Systematic Study of Benchmark Saturation

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I started thinking about this back after the Llama 4 release, and since then our team has put a lot of thought into designing evaluations that don't saturate, are resistant to contamination, and can scale. What has worked best for us is using multi-agent environments with open-ended cooperative or competitive goals. Mostly designed as multiplayer games. The results tend to align with our experience for coding better than any non-aggregator benchmark, and likely at lower cost to run.

Data at https://gertlabs.com/rankings

Re: When AI Benchmarks Plateau: A Systematic Study of Benchmark Saturation

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This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression. If the Pareto rule is any indicator, 80% of results come from 20% of causes. It seems that we have alot more to learn about intelligence. I am reminded of a statement on truth from an ancient philosopher, this sentiment seems to be exactly the opposite of the LLM training paradigm…

>This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's

This is an amazingly ignorant thing to say given the current pace of progress.

Re: When AI Benchmarks Plateau: A Systematic Study of Benchmark Saturation

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This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression. If the Pareto rule is any indicator, 80% of results come from 20% of causes. It seems that we have alot more to learn about intelligence. I am reminded of a statement on truth from an ancient philosopher, this sentiment seems to be exactly the opposite of the LLM training paradigm…

Weird moment for this take. We're seeing some of the fastest and most impressive progress ever right now.

Frontier labs have categorically different & better set ups for evaluation, they're fine. It's work but it's not a crisis.

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This seems to be the end of the road for LLM's. There's only so much accuracy on a highly non-linear space you can get from a regression. If the Pareto rule is any indicator, 80% of results come from 20% of causes. It seems that we have alot more to learn about intelligence. I am reminded of a statement on truth from an ancient philosopher, this sentiment seems to be exactly the opposite of the LLM training paradigm…

I really don’t think we know enough about what „intelligence“ is or how LLMs actually work to confidently say that this is the end of the road for LLM.

I'm sorry, we know exactly how LLMs work, this myth that we "dont know how they work" was perpetuated by executives that dont know how they work.

We know exactly how attention layers work and how they produce the next word as well as draw them from larger feature spaces.

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