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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

That is both a yikes (towards Apple) and very unethical (towards OpenAI and the engineers who did this). Why do people do these things? Do you have no shame that you might have a harder time landing future jobs if you're perceived as someone who might sell out your future employer on a whim and steal proprietary information?

"Why do people do these things"

Money, ideology, coercion, and ego.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

The outcome shouldn't depend whether they had "poor" security anyway. If I leave my front door locked, it might increase the chances I get robbed, but it doesn't make robbing me legal.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #4

OpenAIs response: https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/ Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal.

I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence.

I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound constraint they predict are coming from a lack of perceived trustworthiness of OpenAI.

Seems inappropriate for OpenAI to post this public-appeal, to me.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is both a yikes (towards Apple) and very unethical (towards OpenAI and the engineers who did this). Why do people do these things? Do you have no shame that you might have a harder time landing future jobs if you're perceived as someone who might sell out your future employer on a whim and steal proprietary information?

Future jobs? I thought AGI was the future of work! And plus, their duty is to a higher cause! All humanity needs them to win, so that the superintelligence is “aligned” to their superior values… like “all’s fair in love and war”! (/s) …rumblings of “divine mandate” in there somewhere…

I thought AGI was supposed to come soon? Wasn't Sam Altman saying that it would come last year? I would love to see genuinely demonstrations of these labs different AGI attempts because I am a skeptic on AGI, I'm fine with LLMs.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is both a yikes (towards Apple) and very unethical (towards OpenAI and the engineers who did this). Why do people do these things? Do you have no shame that you might have a harder time landing future jobs if you're perceived as someone who might sell out your future employer on a whim and steal proprietary information?

They probably were presented with huge comp packages which made bending ethics incredibly easy.

Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #23
post #4

OpenAIs response: https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/ Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal. I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence. I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound…

Tech company drama is followed by .1% of the population. The jury pool is not going to be tainted. This has no impact on the public and nobody expects it to.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #23
post #4

OpenAIs response: https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/ Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal. I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence. I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound…

It’s the insinuation of racism regarding the “mixing up Asian last names” bit that’s really got me feeling like their response is the public appeal move.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal. I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence. I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound…

Tech company drama is followed by .1% of the population. The jury pool is not going to be tainted. This has no impact on the public and nobody expects it to.

Tech company drama *not on the front page.

This has been front page material for multiple non-tech media outlets.

Though I don’t know how much I would believe that this is them trying to taint a jury pool.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #6

Really don't like all the drama around this. Should be dealt with in court, not tried in the press. Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

>Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

Why? Apple surely doesn't want to and why should they?

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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post #6

Really don't like all the drama around this. Should be dealt with in court, not tried in the press. Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

Why are you both-sidesing this?

Apple is doing it right, simple high level statements.

OpenAI is acting like a teenager posting screenshots of literal texts and being overall petulant.

This is open and shut. The mature company will win this.

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