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Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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That isn't true. Microsoft has made some genuinely good software over the years.

Like what

Here's a list of MS software: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software

You cannot find a single one that was good, or better than whatever was the alternative at the time?

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Not just possibly, the DMCA makes it a felony to remove or bypass any copy protection measure, even if it doesn't work very well.

Not every jurisdiction has the DMCA, so that’s why I said possibly. It’s definitely illegal in the US.

Every jurisdiction was bullied into adopting this provision as part of every trade deal the US ever makes. Cory Doctorow wrote about it. Look for the keyword "anticircumvention".

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Even if you get all of your games via Steam, provided you have them downloaded, you can still run them without Steam if you know where to look. Obviously GOG is far better in this regard, but preservation is not a concern on PC, outside of games that are reliant on a server. Starting next generation when prices are going to be obscenely high, I'm really struggling to see why anyone should invest in a console as oppos…

Depends. Steam is not DRM itself, you can open the game folder and copy the game to another computer and steam doesn’t care. The game often has its own DRM though which will stop you. GOG is different in that they ban DRM outright.

Some games won't start if Steam isn't running but you can work around that with a fake steamapi.dll, it's not a deep DRM check.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Not staying this to be pendantic or to annoy you, but you really do know that at the bottom line, the same sort of license applies to movies and music that as of games. It is just accepted with movies, music and books that people just 'have' them. The publishers seriously know what a huge outrage there would be when they did the same to those forms of media like they did with games, but they would if they could get a…

What I really mean is a difficult to revoke license. Not dependent on a server or DRM. I realize I do not actually own copies.

Player license keys have been revoked in the past.

https://www.eetimes.com/The-real-casualty-in-high-def-DVD-re...

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Microsoft stole my copy of Minecraft. I had bought Minecraft before Microsoft bought Mojang, and eventually I was forced to migrate my Minecraft license to a Microsoft account. After I had successfully created the account, logged in, and transferred the license, and ONLY after I had transferred the license, I was suddenly locked out of my account until I provided a phone number. I will never buy a Microsoft product a…

Happened to many people. The system claims it's because of some suspicious activity but everybody who gave in to this blackmail and submitted personal details said that after logging in there was no notice of anything suspicious. since this is a game it's probably mostly kids whose identifying information Microsoft is hunting for. I can't believe it's legal and the company was not sued yet me I just pirate it now, ne…

And this is why you know age verification is not done to make sure kids are protected.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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There are DLLs that remove any check of Steam running. Just keep a copy of one and use that on other games. Regarding the download, it's the same issue with physical media. If I don't have the DVD, how can I acquire the game?

Oh there are Dlls? And as a non-technical consumer I just know this do I? I know how to dig deep into my file system and copy+paste a dll file into software I can’t/don’t understand? How do I download and install a copy without Steam?

Has the barrier for non technical consumer gone down? Back in the 90s when some game didn't work because of some weird issue (we had two CD drives and it would refuse to detect the CD in either drive) my parents had no problem downloading a pirated one that didn't need a CD.

You wouldn't have to figure it out yourself. They didn't need a hex editor. But they did understand "download this file, go to this part of Program Files, move the downloaded file here and agree to overwrite". You'll find similar guides online. They already exist, because it's the same as if you're trying to pirate a Steam game!

People will do anything for the dancing bunnies. Both good and bad.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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What is the command I can use to run them without Steam then? If the game links to a dll that launches Steam and won’t play without it, then that is effectively Drm. Before I even play the game without Steam: how do I download it without Steam?

You download it with Steam, then run Steam's backup function to back up the games you care about to physical media. Or in the vast number of cases you can just copy the game folder Obviously if you buy it with steam you need Steam. But you only need it at the time of purchase, for the vast majority of titles

Steam's backup function creates some kind of proprietary and licensed archive files. Reality: you download it with Steam, then go to Steam's folder and copy the game folder.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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I have a 10 years old Xbox One, and every fucking time my family and I want to play a game, maybe once in a few months or so, it's always a struggle. Oh, let me download a few gigs of a system update. Oh, and the game you want to play needs an update too. Oh, and you are now logged out so go remember your password and type it using the controller. It's never a seamless experience that you would expect of a game conso…

Does the XBox not have an option for doing those updates in the background or when you aren't playing?

It probably does, but it's turned off the majority of time. It's still plugged in, so I wouldn't mind if it updated itself silently, but no, it does not do it when it's turned off.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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You don't get in the locked box in the first place. That's the whole point. A day may come where it is the only option. In which case, personally, I will still advocate for not getting in the box. If they're going to hold "music" and "movies" hostage tell them to go fuck themselves. It's your money they're using to lock you in. And the day that I have nothing left that can play MP3 files is too far in the future to b…

With the planned death of physical media for games, it will soon become impossible to do so. Like, Sony literally plans to stop making discs starting in 2028, and all games you buy will have to be digital only. GTA 6 is just giving a code in a box. It's really the end of times for physical media in a few years, maybe something can change if consumers push back but they likely will not if we are being realistic. https…

How many games do you need in your life, though? I'd say the top 500 games on the GoG catalog would be more than a lifetime of gaming. That's not even including open source or rom sets.
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