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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by M95D »

Razengan wrote: post #66
locknitpicker wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's Iran war is known as "operation Epstein fury" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_2026_Iran_war

It's amazing how a handful of people can cause the deaths and suffering of millions.. throughout history. What the fuck is wrong with the human species and its tendency for self-destructive leader-worship??

It's very simple, really: we're susceptible to indoctrination and brainwashing. That's what one of the main objectives of military training - throughout history.

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Post by b3ing »

shevy-java wrote: post #58

Trump is like Al Capone - just dumber. There is not really any strategy here in place that makes sense from an US point of view. There is a strategy in place that may make sense for Netanyahu (e. g. remain in power) but this is not a US strategic point of view. Trump seems to be the most easily influenced roleplaying as "president". People need to follow the money trail here - that would explain the whole situation r…

The strategy was to get Epstein off of everyone’s mind. And if it cost over $40billion and counting then it was deemed worth it, because the president comes first, that how’s our president thinks, me first, and our politicians, party first, our lobby second and the oligarchs third.

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Post by inglor_cz »

Razengan wrote: post #66
locknitpicker wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's Iran war is known as "operation Epstein fury" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_2026_Iran_war

It's amazing how a handful of people can cause the deaths and suffering of millions.. throughout history. What the fuck is wrong with the human species and its tendency for self-destructive leader-worship??

The point is that before the era of modern weapons, many wars were a net positive for the winners. Much of our genome is inherited from successful conquerors, many of whom are long forgotten.

Starting wars has only been unequivocally negative for maybe the last 100 years. Not enough for an evolutionary change to manifest itself.

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Post by orwin »

firesteelrain wrote: post #111
deadbunny wrote: post #96

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The US spend 20 years in Afgan fighting to remove the Taliban from power only to hand power to the Taliban. The US spent years fighting north Vietnamese forces only to sign a peace treaty, leave south Vietnam and then 2 years later have North Vietnam take over South Vietnam and unify the country. You don't consider completely failing your objectives failure?

No. Both cases were wins. Saigon fell 2 years after US combat forces left for example. In both cases, Washington chose to stop sustaining a local government that could not survive on its own. Saigon fell on April 30, 1975, which was a little over two years after the last US combat troops left Vietnam on March 29, 1973. US did not lose Afghanistan on the battlefield. US military overthrew the Taliban government, disma…

Bac Ho took back the country he liberated from the french, renamed the capital city, instituted a communist regime that held its own against china.

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Post by justin66 »

firesteelrain wrote: post #120
appointment wrote: post #106

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> Flying F-15 and F-16s now. Except not really. If they were willing to risk sending many aircraft deep into Iranian airspace with SDBs and JDAMs they wouldn't be running out of ballistic missiles.

There have been 60-70 F15 and F16s operating in Iran (could be more just found via public sources).

And when an F-15E was shot down they got spooked. They're relying heavily on missiles because it doesn't cause a multiday story in the news when one is shot down on its way to the target (and because they're incapable of thinking more than one move ahead, and because it's not their money...).

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Post by roenxi »

Razengan wrote: post #66
locknitpicker wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's Iran war is known as "operation Epstein fury" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_2026_Iran_war

It's amazing how a handful of people can cause the deaths and suffering of millions.. throughout history. What the fuck is wrong with the human species and its tendency for self-destructive leader-worship??

An organised army is the most effective coercive tool that money can buy, so every nation has to have one otherwise it'd be crushed by foreign militarys. And an organised army requires a large group of people who obey orders rather than stopping to debate the wisdom or morality of them charging out to get shot or shoot some other people. An army has to obey orders in a hierarchical fashion to be effective.

That basically sets up an equilibrium where you have a small number of people who can cause the deaths and suffering of millions. To escape it there'd need to be an economic sweet spot where armies couldn't cost effectively coerce small groups of people. But that seems unlikely because the economies of scale to outfit an army favour large groups. We've been lucky enough so far in the modern era that a strong army requires supporting a thriving economy.

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Post by GJim »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #118
padjo wrote: post #105

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If you set out to achieve an objective, but the enemy prevents you from achieving that objective, you lost.

I wouldn't say they lost . They failed their strategic objectives, but they're still out there, intact and combat capable. Losing is what happened to Germany after both World Wars.

America simply "failed their strategic objectives" in Vietnam?

It's laughable to use such a silly euphemism to imply America was not defeated! The North Vietnamese won. Get over it.

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Post by mustardo »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #118
padjo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you set out to achieve an objective, but the enemy prevents you from achieving that objective, you lost.

I wouldn't say they lost . They failed their strategic objectives, but they're still out there, intact and combat capable. Losing is what happened to Germany after both World Wars.

> failed their strategic objective

copium

> It's their relentless deindustrialization that will eventually do them in

Agree, China has already won, at this point a lot of the world sees them as a more sane option than USA as well which is a nuts timeline

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Post by _menelaus »

dccoolgai wrote: post #38

3 generations of wealth poured into the most expensive military in recorded history - the reason that we don't have health care, clean energy, decent social safety nets and so many other things... and they can't even control a small stretch of water. What a waste.

What are we even talking about here? Controlling the strait? This actually means controlling so much land around the strait that Iran can't launch missiles or drones at ships. Essentially conquering all of Iran by ground invasion. The USA could do this, sure, but we don't want to because its too stupid even for us.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

teytra wrote: post #114
Arodex wrote: post #80

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Who rules Vietnam? Who rules Afghanistan? Tell us.

I remember when I was young all the boat refugees from Vietnam. I could not understand why people said USA lost, but all the refugees were Vietnamese. If USA lost, whay were they not American?

In part because the communist government actively targeted former South Vietnamese military personnel, civil servants, and anyone who had collaborated with the United States.

It was a civil war that the US got involved in, and they supported the side that lost.

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