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U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war

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Post by firesteelrain »

bluegatty wrote: post #91
firesteelrain wrote: post #65

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> The US doesn't even have reliable ways of getting goods and materials into the theatre and has limited quantities of everything. This is not true. US is known for the best logistics in the world.

US has 600 air refuelling aircraft and 40 naval supply ships. US power is mostly strategic, it's 'Air Based' which gives the kind of instant leverage leaders like. It's 'Aircraft Carrier Based'. The US doesn't have that same overwhelming ability otherwise. You can't quite an Army overseas - it takes a different kind of logistics esp. in Pacific, one the US doesn't quite have the level of sophistication. Don't get me…

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Post by Hugsbox »

firesteelrain wrote: post #98
Arodex wrote: post #80

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Who rules Vietnam? Who rules Afghanistan? Tell us.

Communist Hanoi and Taliban. Who governs those countries matters, but America cannot spend unlimited blood and treasure ensuring that every country is governed by people we approve of. The threats were eliminated. Mission accomplished.

Which is it, Taliban controls Afghanistan, or the threats were eliminated? Doesn't sound like mission accomplished to me. Americans can cope all they want, but those conflicts were utter failures.

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Post by Arodex »

bluegatty wrote: post #73
rf15 wrote: post #16

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Okay, let's start. - A country, even as big as the US, is strictly, evidently, not exceptional. - The US lost the majority of the wars it joined/started in the last 100 years and came home every time trying to sell it as a victory despite not achieving their war goals. - You may have weapons or power of some kind, but every move you make costs you some kind of currency: time, material, energy, credibility, goodwill.…

No - the Iran war is a total strategic failure, but the US is very obviously 'exceptional' - I'm not saying necessarily admirable, or more moral etc but it is hugely 'stand out' in terms of capabilities. That's just a fact of reality irrespective of all of the political and moral context. - The US did not 'lose' the majority of the wars it started - it won most of them, and arguably failed to achieve strategic object…

>If you want to see what 'destructive' is, just look at Russian engagement in Ukraine, or Assad in Syria, or Saudi in Yemen. They don't care what they hit, it's a totally different environment.

Show us the difference with Vietnam (and Cambodia).

And the Caribbean.

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Post by firesteelrain »

appointment wrote: post #122
firesteelrain wrote: post #98

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Communist Hanoi and Taliban. Who governs those countries matters, but America cannot spend unlimited blood and treasure ensuring that every country is governed by people we approve of. The threats were eliminated. Mission accomplished.

The USA completely failed to eliminate the threat of a communist takeover of French Indochina. Ask Pakistan if the threat of Afghanistan-based terrorism has been eliminated.

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Post by cindyllm »

Hugsbox wrote: post #132
firesteelrain wrote: post #98

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Communist Hanoi and Taliban. Who governs those countries matters, but America cannot spend unlimited blood and treasure ensuring that every country is governed by people we approve of. The threats were eliminated. Mission accomplished.

Which is it, Taliban controls Afghanistan, or the threats were eliminated? Doesn't sound like mission accomplished to me. Americans can cope all they want, but those conflicts were utter failures.

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Post by firesteelrain »

surgical_fire wrote: post #130
firesteelrain wrote: post #50

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Definitions of "lose" have been updated by firesteelrain to exclude retreating after failing to achieve anything.

The nation-building project ultimately failed. That is not the same as achieving nothing, nor is a political withdrawal the same thing as being militarily defeated.

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Post by bombcar »

notaigenerated wrote: post #51
chmod775 wrote: post #46

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If they can exhaust all their firepower in a couple weeks fighting Iran, China would have no reason to feel threatened in the first place. The reality is that fighting China would be a proper all-out war, not whatever this spitting match with Iran is.

There won't ever be an "all out war" of nuclear states with each other. Only via proxies.

They called World War I “the Great War” because they couldn’t conceive of a sequel.

Never say never.

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Post by expedition32 »

PowerElectronix wrote: post #19

Now they'll exhaust interceptors and other long range missiles like tomahawks and whatnot. And then China gets frisky with Taiwan and the US will totally not abandon them and tell them to just give up pressured by the lack of firepower to defend them, the risks of China getting back into bidding oil in international markets and the mess the treasury would be in if China raises capital by selling bonds (they just told…

If you look at Taiwan history when the US gave PRC the UN seat and Nixon visited Beijing it was pretty much decided.

Taiwan is no West Berlin and everyone knows it.

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Post by firesteelrain »

Hugsbox wrote: post #132
firesteelrain wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communist Hanoi and Taliban. Who governs those countries matters, but America cannot spend unlimited blood and treasure ensuring that every country is governed by people we approve of. The threats were eliminated. Mission accomplished.

Which is it, Taliban controls Afghanistan, or the threats were eliminated? Doesn't sound like mission accomplished to me. Americans can cope all they want, but those conflicts were utter failures.

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