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What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #4

Either the author or Andreesen completely misunderstands or misrepresents the concept of network neutrality. Network neutrality doesn't mean users don't pay for the bandwidth they consume. It means they pay the same price for that bandwidth regardless of what it's used for.

i was at the talk and yes i think he misused "network neutrality." he seemed to be talking more about regulation, and government pressure on telcos to keep prices lower than what the market could bear.

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #8

Out-of-touch elitist, like most of SV brats. If darpa did not exist, there would be no internet. The middle-class existed because once-upon-a-time people believed a rising tide lifted all boats.

i wish i could believe that. in the 1950s, the U.S. produced 60 percent of global output and had no real international competition, thanks to the destruction in europe, russia, asia, etc. today it produces 18 percent and americans compete against chinese for jobs. i guess that seems like a better explanation for the plight of the middle class than saying we no longer believe in that "a rising tide lift[s] all boats."

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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has anyone else who can never see this site worked what plugin/blocker causes it to spin forever?

My temporary solution is to right click and select Inspect Element in Chrome. Then find the "overlay" div and set the z-index to 0. This pushes that to the bottom of the pile and you can browse normally again.

For me personally I think it sits b/c my work proxy has an ad blocker.

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #4

Either the author or Andreesen completely misunderstands or misrepresents the concept of network neutrality. Network neutrality doesn't mean users don't pay for the bandwidth they consume. It means they pay the same price for that bandwidth regardless of what it's used for.

i was at the talk and yes i think he misused "network neutrality." he seemed to be talking more about regulation, and government pressure on telcos to keep prices lower than what the market could bear.

I'm not really sure I follow that argument. I get that consumers often prefer unlimited mobile data plans to paying per byte, but what does that have to do with regulation? I'm not aware of any current or proposed rule that would mandate or even encourage unmetered bandwidth and the mobile market is clearly moving away from unlimited data all on its own.

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #6

He was in the right place at the right time and now he's rich. And that's the only reason why anybody is listening to him now, certainly not for anything else he's done. Cheaper labor? How about a more effective labor force? Ugh.

He was in the right place at the right time and now he's rich. And that's the only reason why anybody is listening to him now, certainly not for anything else he's done.

This. A small percentage of people that make it big can duplicate that success. I've only met one such person in my life and he was the most dangerous business person I ever knew. Dangerous because he walked that line between legal/illegal and ethical/unethical, much to his profit. I realized after meeting him that I could never be him. I just couldn't make some of those decisions, because I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

I'm not saying all serially successful people are like this. It's one data point. I just think many successful people are in the right place at the right time, and many of the other successful people work the system in a way that most of us would find distasteful. Yes, I'm sure there are a small percentage of serially successful people that do it because they have the right stuff and demand our respect and admiration. I just haven't met any of them yet.

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #14

has anyone else who can never see this site worked what plugin/blocker causes it to spin forever?

My temporary solution is to right click and select Inspect Element in Chrome. Then find the "overlay" div and set the z-index to 0. This pushes that to the bottom of the pile and you can browse normally again. For me personally I think it sits b/c my work proxy has an ad blocker.

Thanks! Even simpler fix for lazy: Inspect Element, right click on the element in the developer pane, and choose "delete node".

Re: What Marc Andreessen said to Quartz that made us sit up and listen

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post #4

Either the author or Andreesen completely misunderstands or misrepresents the concept of network neutrality. Network neutrality doesn't mean users don't pay for the bandwidth they consume. It means they pay the same price for that bandwidth regardless of what it's used for.

Exactly. The telcos want to charge Youtube (and others) more money for a faster connection to me, but I already paid for my connection to be fast.

Those aren't Youtube's bits coming to me over the wire though, they are mine. I paid for them, both in money to the telco for my connection through them, and to Youtube with my attention to their ads.

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