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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#161

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It reads direct and unrehearsed, instead of like something where all humanity has been sanded off by legal and PR departments.

Direct and unrehearsed doesn't seem like the right tack for a high-stakes legal dispute between two (allegedly) trillion-dollar companies. Especially since they've not been able to make a coherent point here.

Yes, we've built a society where being two-faced and false is rewarded. The least we can do is temper our criticism when someone "fails" to adhere to that.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#162
post #33

>They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after we brought this to their attention. I find it bizarre that they felt the need to specify "Asian". What does that have to do with anything?

Latin alphabet transcription of East Asian languages tend to be incredibly lossy and there tends to be a lot of ambiguities.

That Vietnamese surname of Nguyen is formally written as Nguyễn in the current script, or as 阮 in the old adapted Hanzi script, and practically pronounced somewhere around "gwen". Most other EA countries tend to do equivalents of "阮" -> "gwen", and East Asian cultures generally prefer Last-First ordering, which tend to put more information in the first name, and so there are going to be tons of last names in Latin that end up being barely unambiguous to be a form of identification.

These can be a problem if email addresses are going to be formulated as e.g. "阮 必成" -> "Nguyễn Tất Thành" -> "Gwen Tat Than" -> "t.gwen@example.net", even if the surname is going to be that much long(although Nguyen in particular is just identical even in Vietnamese).

(Japan may be less affected thanks to having default 2+ char random surnames farmers made up in modernization efforts, but there are still the 灘(nada) highscool, the 津(tsu) city, etc etc that can be NLP problems)

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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The timeline OpenAI wants to present looks like this to me: - Leaving employee (LE) needs a USB stick to copy data off their Mac to give to their Manager (MA) so someone at Apple still has access - After LE left, MA has access to LE Mac and iCloud to still access some data - At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account on that Mac as they suspect they'll get OpenAI-related messages soon and don't w…

Granted, Apple does do this weird thing where you're invited to use your personal iCloud (/Apple) account for work-related things (I suspect because they're just bad at supporting multiple accounts simultaneously). As part of the deal, your iCloud account gets upgraded during your employment. But they're also quite explicit and repeat the directive (including during the exit interview) about removing Apple files from…

That's not just weird, that's completely ridiculous for the most valuable public US company.

And it gets more ridiculous when you realise Apple makes the software, the hardware, the OS, and the cloud services.

I... really question the rationale here.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#164
post #29

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> it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager. Yep, down to the pages of iMessage screenshots

They aren't screenshots

Which, somehow, confused me even further. I get that it's a stylistic choice to make them easy to read or whatever, but my first thought was "wait, they just posted screenshots with the names censored like a bad Reddit post?"

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timeline OpenAI wants to present looks like this to me: - Leaving employee (LE) needs a USB stick to copy data off their Mac to give to their Manager (MA) so someone at Apple still has access - After LE left, MA has access to LE Mac and iCloud to still access some data - At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account on that Mac as they suspect they'll get OpenAI-related messages soon and don't w…

Granted, Apple does do this weird thing where you're invited to use your personal iCloud (/Apple) account for work-related things (I suspect because they're just bad at supporting multiple accounts simultaneously). As part of the deal, your iCloud account gets upgraded during your employment. But they're also quite explicit and repeat the directive (including during the exit interview) about removing Apple files from…

Funny to hear that even Apple themself struggle with that. In the past it's been such a PITA for us to decide whether employees can use private account or shall use company apple ids. As we have a pretty lax policy, most of them use their private accounts to have iCloud sync or to simply access purchased apps but having a simple way for dual account usage would be too easy i guess.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct and unrehearsed doesn't seem like the right tack for a high-stakes legal dispute between two (allegedly) trillion-dollar companies. Especially since they've not been able to make a coherent point here.

Yes, we've built a society where being two-faced and false is rewarded. The least we can do is temper our criticism when someone "fails" to adhere to that.

We've built a society where we shit in private, not in the middle of the street.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#168
post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

This is pretty wild. Without context, it's barely coherent, but I guess they didn't want to say "Apple is suing us for X, Y, Z" because that makes them look bad. But there's just no upside to publishing this:

If you don't know what's going on, this blog post is nonsensical and makes OpenAI look weird.

If you do know what's going on, you'll immediately notice they don't address 80% of the stuff Apple is accusing them of, which makes OpenAI look dishonest.

It just seems incredibly unprofessional and ill-considered.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timeline OpenAI wants to present looks like this to me: - Leaving employee (LE) needs a USB stick to copy data off their Mac to give to their Manager (MA) so someone at Apple still has access - After LE left, MA has access to LE Mac and iCloud to still access some data - At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account on that Mac as they suspect they'll get OpenAI-related messages soon and don't w…

Granted, Apple does do this weird thing where you're invited to use your personal iCloud (/Apple) account for work-related things (I suspect because they're just bad at supporting multiple accounts simultaneously). As part of the deal, your iCloud account gets upgraded during your employment. But they're also quite explicit and repeat the directive (including during the exit interview) about removing Apple files from…

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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

#170
post #125
post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

Ironically (?) I am immediately reminded of Steve Jobs by reading the first paragraph. Specifically Thoughts on Flash, but there were probably more such press releases. [0] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-history/steve-job...

Except that Jobs was a good writer and made a clear point in a succinct fashion.
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