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Maybe someone could help me understand what this message means.

> I think I’m going to have to hit the workday button before I’m complete. I just got a weird message that is making me nervous (see below), so I am going to go hit the workday button now.

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What really matters is the claim that Apple never raised those issues in the lawsuit with them. OpenAI claims the emails prove this, but to me all the emails prove is Apple sent an email that said “please see the attached letters”. We don’t know what is in the attachments but I imagine those were the relevant issues they raised. Moreover OpenAI says, “[Apple] now admits that Apple employees reached out to him and ask…

The timeline OpenAI wants to present looks like this to me: - Leaving employee (LE) needs a USB stick to copy data off their Mac to give to their Manager (MA) so someone at Apple still has access - After LE left, MA has access to LE Mac and iCloud to still access some data - At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account on that Mac as they suspect they'll get OpenAI-related messages soon and don't w…

Granted, Apple does do this weird thing where you're invited to use your personal iCloud (/Apple) account for work-related things (I suspect because they're just bad at supporting multiple accounts simultaneously). As part of the deal, your iCloud account gets upgraded during your employment.

But they're also quite explicit and repeat the directive (including during the exit interview) about removing Apple files from your account when you leave, and logging out of iCloud from the Apple devices you leave behind.

Also:

> At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account

You can sign out remotely, so this would've been stupid of everyone involved.

Then again, this whole situation demonstrates a level of stupidity from supposedly competent people that I wish I could say was unbelievable. Add "Making a public post about a topic under litigation" under that category too.

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Reading through this, the Apple side of the story is actually the more fascinating one. It's frankly bizarre that a company of that scale had to rely on a former employee's (Chang Liu) personal iCloud access. It exposes a massive flaw in Apple's offboarding and internal system management. Combine that with their legal team confusing an Asian surname and emailing the wrong person, and publicly, Apple just ends up look…

I mean it makes sense. They somehow still don't have a proper product for businesses to manage Apple devices and accounts. Instead people have to rely on third party integrations.

What happens if someone is fired and had kept info only on their personal account that is highly valuable ? Or wants to steal corporate info?

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as the Anti-AI aesthetic. When you write using this style it is obvious this isn't LLM generated and you signal this is well thought out. If you noticed Sam Altman's latest posts he moved to all lower case, including "I", which I see as due to the same reason

The content does not read like it's well thought out to me, but I am at least convinced it's human.

AI would have probably told you that posting this is not a good idea.

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>They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after we brought this to their attention. I find it bizarre that they felt the need to specify "Asian". What does that have to do with anything?

Roughly one in five Koreans have surname "Kim". Upward of 40% Vietnamese have surname "Nguyen". "Li" is quite popular in China. Specifying "Asian last name" in this context is quite apt.

The odd thing is one of the guys has the first name Chang, and the other guy has the last name Chang.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

We're not the target of the blog post.

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When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

There is a solution though. I don't like it, but we use MDM to disable iCloud file sync, scan network communication and such.
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