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That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

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Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#61
HR is modern priesthood, and their function is to prevent the "unwashed" from ascending up the higher ranks.

Now there I've made it much worse (or better!) than the actual reality, which is that there's just not enough quality engineering jobs no matter which way you cut it and all of this theatrics result from scarcity.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#62

As I have grown older, I have realized dead-honesty is a false ideal to live by, especially when it comes to being rewarded in the capitalistic world. I know someone who reached executive level position in a major company and all of his career progress can be traced back to lying on his resume about a NASA internship he never got, which he conveniently purged later from everywhere. I wouldn’t go that far, but I think…

I disagree strongly. Yes, in terms of benefit to yourself honesty may not pay off, but that's not why you should do it. You should be honest (and I try to be honest) because it's shameful to be a deceitful person. Virtue actually matters, it's not all about getting ahead materially.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#63

> You have 12 marbles and a balance scale. One of the 12 marbles is inconsistent with the others, meaning it could be heavier or lighter than its peers of normal weight. You are allowed to use the balance scale exactly 3 times to identify which of the 12 marbles is irregular AND determine whether it is heavier or lighter than normal. I also got this riddle, in 2015. I couldn't solve it. Tbh, I think it's a terrible q…

Probably explains why Microsoft hasn't made a good product in...as long as I can remember. It's all shibboleths and gate-keeping.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#64

I have question for MS people. How do you guys view external contractors(the one with email address start with v-xxx) I was contractor for MS for a while and it was not a very positive experience. i was kind of being forgotten and only be mentioned when convenient. I went by months without any actual real work done.

I definitely experienced that “yellow badges” were viewed by long timers as somewhat of a lower caste. Starting with the first onboarding day where they were given hand-me-down phones and laptops.

(This was a long time ago, during the Ballmer era. Just my personal 2 cents.)

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#65
Once long ago when I interviewed at Apple I was asked the classic "fork in the road, two guys, one always tells the truth and one always lies" riddle, with complete earnestness as far as I could tell. Possibly the single worst interview question I've ever been asked.

Of course I told the interviewer I'd heard it before and then gave the correct answer. In my case we just ended up chatting about previous experience instead of doing another brainteaser and I ultimately passed the interview, I think. But afterward the recruiter strung me along for weeks telling me they wanted to make an offer but not giving me one, and I ended up going to Microsoft instead.

Not the worst interview experience I've had, though. That would be the time I interviewed for a full time position after an internship and a group of guys who knew me and had worked with me all summer asked me a pointless brainteaser as the only interview question. I crashed and burned for a full 40 minutes in front of them. Humiliating, and pretty much a pointless hazing ritual as they offered me the job anyway. Luckily I got a better offer and was able to turn them down.

Here are some other brainteasers I've been asked in interviews. I actually think these physics based ones are fun (probably because I had no trouble solving them), but they're still terrible interview questions:

You're in a boat on a lake with a bowling ball. After you drop the ball overboard and it sinks to the bottom, is the lake water level higher or lower or the same?

Three balls are on three downward sloping tracks. One track is a straight line down to the end, the second is the same except for a small hill in the middle, and the third is the same except instead of a hill it has a small dip. All tracks start at the same height and end at the same height and cover the same horizontal distance. The balls are released at the same time and roll to the end without leaving their tracks. Which one gets there first?

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#66
Ultimately, the problem is that every person has their own anecdata-driven or follow-the-leader-inspired ideas about how to interview effectively, and large swaths of them are in stark opposition to each other.

And now after decades of research, we're still using magic potions that mostly don't make sense.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they know that if you had graduated, you would have, at every turn, mentioned the name and date of your degree, instead!

Eh? Would you? I have two degrees and I never mentioned exactly what they are on my CVs, literally just like above - "2010-2014 Computer Science at University X". I've reviewed countless CVs when I was a hiring manager for a few years too, and I don't really recall if people wrote down what they got, nor was it ever relevant for any position outside of intern ones.

Whatever the reason for not asking that question, it would be a terrible question to ask an interviewee in that situation. "Did you actually graduate from this place?" It would be the equivalent of asking "did you lie on your CV?" If I wrote a CV and they began asking me questions that were answered by my CV, I would read that as skepticism. Conversely, perhaps the interviewers are so good that they only ask questions where they already know the answers, in that regard.

Neither of you have mentioned the qualifications of the jobs you sought. Perhaps those companies did not require or factor-in the degrees of candidates. Perhaps they can open up LinkedIn and see whether or not you graduated. Perhaps they just called their sorority sister at the Registrar for an informal reminiscence about the weather in 2021.

I can understand if you want to put the year-range that you attended college. Perhaps you want to prove you graduated in 4 years, rather than taking 6. There are more people who are unwilling to put any year at all to their education, lest someone figure out that they are over 40.

The bottom line is that if you ask 5 people about résumé building and job interviews, you'll hear 6 opinions on what is right, what is wrong, what is legal, etc. There is plenty of bad advice, and narrow opinions, mine included.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#69
I once had a geography teacher who had the absolutely unhinged habit of asking spontaneous gotcha questions designed to make himself look good. The kind where the question doesn't contain enough information to get to the answer he had in mind. Then when someone answered the question correctly, but didn't use the exact answer he had in mind he went all "gotcha!".

Sometimes he asked the same question again and when someone remembered the answer, he still went "gotcha!" only with a changed answer.

The lesson I learned from that guy, was that sometimes a question says more about the person asking it than about the person answering it — more precisely that men with small egos bend reality to get the outcome they prefer.

The appropriate strategy with him was to ask in a Socratic way while stroking his ego: "But haven't you thought us X is Y? I would like to get it correct!", then he would squirm around and admit that yes, this is also correct.

This type of dynamic can also occur in interviews.

Re: That time when I failed the Microsoft interview

#70

Sadly I've seen this kind of interviewing from lots of places; maybe it's a technique they teach in college or something. Interview questions like this are useless as they are not an accurate approximation of a real work scenario. I've frozen up at a whiteboard in an interview before, and then figured it out on the drive home. The best approach I've found is to do a send home quiz, and then ask them questions about t…

I always give people a ton of leeway in an interview because nobody is at their best in that situation. I once got asked how to use window functions in SQL, with like 10 years of SQL experience using window functions and froze.

I much prefer a pair programming interview or something where you can really see how they work through a problem they don’t necessarily have to finish or do perfectly.

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