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Re: LLMs reward expertise

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I’d love to see this experiment executed with Claude design. Particularly with something static, I don’t think they’d fail to get a result. But without domain knowledge I think they’d misunderstand prototype with finished product. Without knowing what it’s doing, it’s hard to know what it’s not doing.

My non-technical cofounder managed to vibe code a holding page with Claude Design and it walked him through deploying it to Netlify. However for some reason it had him deploy a single HTML file with all the assets encoded as a huge base64 blob in the code that required a massive amount of JavaScript to extract and render.

Interesting.

I often ask it export a single html file, for an external collaborator or simpler sharing. But I wouldn’t deploy that to production.

I wonder if they asked it to deploy a html file.

But this is exactly the kind of hidden domain knowledge / expertise that changes how you use the tool.

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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Maybe LLMs don't usher in the end of software engineering but they definitely end the whole "made with love (and coffee) in X". Nobody cares if you put effort into something software related. "Does it work? Yes? Ok build the next thing." Its the same with the notion of "taste" (see "sometimes tasteless computer code" from the Goedecke article), your colleague who is also a SE might respect your choices as good taste. But it ends there. This was also the case pre-LLMs I would argue. What is worse now is that communicating any uncertainty in decisions related to implementation will result in an immediate "Have you asked Claude?".

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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Harness? I am an avid HN reader but even I don't yet fully understand how this word is used in the AI context. Which is exactly the point of the OP. It all boils down to naming things and cache invalidation, /s

My question is do we harness a bootstrap or bootstrap a harness?

You bootstrap css and harness js

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d love to see this experiment executed with Claude design. Particularly with something static, I don’t think they’d fail to get a result. But without domain knowledge I think they’d misunderstand prototype with finished product. Without knowing what it’s doing, it’s hard to know what it’s not doing.

As decades-exp SWE I love using Claude Design for any kind of app and web development, because it gives much faster visual feedback loop than changing views within deep framework stack. It much easier to "tell" coding agent what I need instead of writing wall of prose to define visual stuff. I reminds me old WYSIWYG and unlike Figma it has full HTML/CSS capabilities available. How I work with it: - I ask agent to ext…

I’ve been curious on how to close this loop between engineering and design/product.

We don’t use react, which Claude design seems to trend towards. We use Phoenix / liveview.

We have a shared design system, which keeps the visual elements in line. And then just prototype on design, collab, discuss and arrive at what we want to ship. And then engineering take over and rebuild via hand / claude code.

But the tools aren’t directly connected.

The value has been in the separation. In iterating on the prototype without impacting the codebase, dev cycle, etc. And solving problems/unknowns earlier.

There were always tools for this, but Claude design just feels more accessible and therefore gets used more immediately.

And the fidelity of the outcome (and the assumptions it’s forced the make) are more valuable and faster to achieve than Figma.

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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post #73

The amplifying mirror analogy works best here. LLMs are ultimately a reflection of your own interactions with its weights, the tone you use, the structure with which you construct your prompt, aspects of an issue you tend to focus on, your breadth of vocabulary and world knowledge and whatnot. People who (carefully) use it as an extension of their own mind and senses will very likely thrive, and those who use it as a…

>learning a concept across tiers can u share this pls? thx.

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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Both the article and some of the discussions here share a lot of commonalities with doctors taking a medical history. There is a certain skill in guiding the conversation towards useful outputs, while not dictating the exact outputs to a patient who is eager to please with their responses.

E.g., medical history taking protocol always says to start with open ended (albeit structured) questions, and converge towards more closed/specific ones when you're sure you've extracted the broader surface and you now want to close in on a differential diagnosis.

If you start open and go with the flow but then just let the patient talk without any structure or subsequent attempt to converge, there's a risk that the patient might spend 60 minutes taking about their fluffy dog at home, which wastes time, and doesn't get you anywhere nearer the diagnosis. But, if you skip the open questions and go straight to yes/no diagnostic questions, you will definitely miss the fact that they have a dog at home that they're worried about, and that they'll be self-discharging against medical advice in the next hour to go tend to their dog.

So while to an outsider, the conversation might look effortless, in reality the doctor requires considerable skill to be able to strike a balance between open vs closed prompts, as well as the ability to critically sift through the outputs, and decide which outputs are relevant to pursue further and lead to a fruitful direction, versus those that can be safely discarded to remove potentially distracting noise from the conversation (and all while attempting to keep this interaction within a limited number of prompts due to operational time constraints).

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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This is true today and has been my experience as well -- both to write software as well as doing computational physics.

The interesting question then is to ask how long will this stay true? As the models get better will they eventually not need the human expertise to start adding value?

Re: LLMs reward expertise

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I did a test a few months ago. A friend of mine wanted to develop what i understood to be a simple single page web app. But since she didn’t have any software engineering experience she asked me to help. Around that time everyone was talking about how literally anyone can develop software with LLMs i asked her if she could give it a try first, and if I could watch the attempt. I was fully expecting that writing the c…

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Re: LLMs reward expertise

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post #319

I did a test a few months ago. A friend of mine wanted to develop what i understood to be a simple single page web app. But since she didn’t have any software engineering experience she asked me to help. Around that time everyone was talking about how literally anyone can develop software with LLMs i asked her if she could give it a try first, and if I could watch the attempt. I was fully expecting that writing the c…

I have the same experience giving my brother an OpenClaw as his personal assistant. His words were: It feels as if I need to know how to program it. I was expecting he could say something like "Oh, it seems like you don't remember the people I'm referring to, perhaps you need some kind of CRM system. Can you investigate if there are any easily available CRM systems you can interface with, so we don't need to make one…

Curiosity and a tinkerer's / engineer's mindset is basically the only thing we can hire for right now
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