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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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They’ve bred more docile salmon, according to the article. Getting that DNA into wild populations would be problematic I’d imagine.

If those salmon are too docile, just give them cocaine. https://www.science.org/content/article/cocaine-pollution-gi...

Hollywood is ready to run the gamut of cocaine-fueled fauna.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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why don’t we just infuse tofu with all the nutrients and eat that? hell i would pay for that. high protein extra firm tofu is like 2.70/lb for me. i get about 35g protein from 8oz of that tofu. i eat salmon 2x a week but most of my diet is tofu and beans/lentils for protein. i think it would be far ecologically and financially better to have tofu enhanced, so it meets nutritional needs at low cost. and i personally f…

Because it’s not very tasty? Also hoper processed foods “infused” with nutrients don’t sound very appealing.. Most people (in western countries at least) don’t really optimize their food in take this way or want to maximize the amount of protein per $

true i mean i do think most people don’t care at all about climate change or the environment. i also dont care for most people besides those i love family and friends, or people like employees or colleagues.

animal ag is a huge climate factor there plus we destroy ecosystems to murder the ocean floor.

ultimately i don’t eat meat bc of the climat aspect (and it’s better for my health i want to live long) but since people don’t care i have zero problems with private jets or driving a F350 or sports car that gets 8mpg

if people won’t do what’s right they deserve to deal with the consequences, and i’m not gonna shed a single tear because it isn’t my problem. i’ll just move somewhere nicer (SF is amazing, and during a fire i’ll just fly somewhere else)

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Is it not possible to build a floating farm in international waters?

The point is that a pen far away from the land might not be very practical/much more expensive to take care of

Seems like something that could be negotiated with other nations in a peaceful way, if fishing was the only concern. The sub fleet is the real concern though.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Would not feed it to my worst enemy.

Comes down to finances ultimately? If can afford wild then get wild, otherwise farmed is cheaper. No different to farmed animals or non organic crops. All three are maximised for growth rate and revenue

I much prefer the taste of farmed salmon. It's not just cost.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Technically it works. Superior Fresh, as in the linked article, has a viable system. The challenge is that in the beginning it is hard to reach a scale that works economically. Added to that, in Norway it is challenging to grow leafy greens in greenhouses in the winter, compared to the latitude where Superior Fresh is located. It can be done, but is energy intensive. We ran a fully indoor pilot facility for five year…

The article does not mention land-based fish farms but instead the "egg", a more enclosed pen that is underwater but estimate that it is 10 times the cost of a pen. How would a land-based fish farm would compare economically to those innovative underwater sea pens in your seemingly educated opinion ?

I have an acquaintance that works as a consultant on one of the ”egg” (closed or semi closed) floating fish farms. I also know a professor who thinks they are going to be much more viable from an energy point of view. Personally I think they will have a big challenge economically until we start charging for the externalities of the open pen systems. Much like a carbon tax.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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One possible outcome of that is the extinction of wild salmon.

And, another could be to increase the populations of wild salmon Dumber here is a feature, not a bug. The dumber the farmed escaped salmons are, the better. Imagine 10 wild salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, 8 of then are devoured by bears. Only Rick and Jenny survive. Now imagine the same salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, but joined by 40 farmed sterile salmons. And 8 of them are devoured by bears…

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine" While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places. When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?

I've been here for 15+ years and I've never seen a sushi place without salmon. But I've never been to a "fancy" sushi place, just supermarkets, kaiten chains and neighborhood restaurants that are $20-40 a head.

Salmon is not a "traditional" sushi ingredient because, until the introduction of flash-freezing, it couldn't be eaten raw due to the risk of parasites. That changed in the 80s or so, I think.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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why don’t we just infuse tofu with all the nutrients and eat that? hell i would pay for that. high protein extra firm tofu is like 2.70/lb for me. i get about 35g protein from 8oz of that tofu. i eat salmon 2x a week but most of my diet is tofu and beans/lentils for protein. i think it would be far ecologically and financially better to have tofu enhanced, so it meets nutritional needs at low cost. and i personally f…

Because it’s not very tasty? Also hoper processed foods “infused” with nutrients don’t sound very appealing.. Most people (in western countries at least) don’t really optimize their food in take this way or want to maximize the amount of protein per $

plain tofu is extremely bland, but I think you usually cook it with lots of other ingredients and it can be good. It can also bring a crunchy texture when chopped up and fried.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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It's encouraging that even the powerful lobbyists in Norway are discussing the effects their field has in the environment: > Krister Hoaas from the industry lobby group says that Norway is pursuing sustainable growth. >"We have to have growth within the limits that nature can cope with in a good way, and that would imply introduction of a lot of different production methods," Hoaas says. I like to see how much more n…

Unfortunately it's not the norm, and is instead a great, and positive example of an outlier.

Corpo speak globally is a lot closer to the opposite of what you quoted. The US, Australia (gas, mining and energy companies are core examples) and for the larger part Europe (e.g., Volkswagen) effortless say everything and nothing at the same time.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One possible outcome of that is the extinction of wild salmon.

And, another could be to increase the populations of wild salmon Dumber here is a feature, not a bug. The dumber the farmed escaped salmons are, the better. Imagine 10 wild salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, 8 of then are devoured by bears. Only Rick and Jenny survive. Now imagine the same salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, but joined by 40 farmed sterile salmons. And 8 of them are devoured by bears…

The problem with this logic is that if 80% of the salmon in the water are sterile, then the probably of a fruitful mating is only 20% of the previous rate. For most wild populations, this is cataclysmically bad.

It works on screw worm flies. It will have a similar effect on wild salmon.

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