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Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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> Apple requires apps to submit a privacy manifest disclosing what data they collect. The White House app declared an empty array.

Doesn't make sense to have an honor system for it. Rather grant access to device capabilities based in what an application declares

Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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Unfortunately agreed. Browser sandboxing is usually quite a lot better than apps. The table they provide is rather biased though, many of the things they show in PWA's favor are only true in the most trivial sense, and are easily worked around, both technically and widely used in practice. Also browsers can use extensions to modify pages, and that opens up SO many possibilities. And bookmarks. And history. And tabs.…

For me as a user, not having notifications or having a way to easily block them is a boon. No site is sending me right now notifications, and I have yet to meet one where I'd even consider allowing them.

Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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post #22
post #5

Unfortunately agreed. Browser sandboxing is usually quite a lot better than apps. The table they provide is rather biased though, many of the things they show in PWA's favor are only true in the most trivial sense, and are easily worked around, both technically and widely used in practice. Also browsers can use extensions to modify pages, and that opens up SO many possibilities. And bookmarks. And history. And tabs.…

For me as a user, not having notifications or having a way to easily block them is a boon. No site is sending me right now notifications, and I have yet to meet one where I'd even consider allowing them.

You don't want notifications from any chat apps?

Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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post #20
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Good native apps exist, although rare and getting more so, and for a lot of workflows are better than websites. That said, all the privacy reasons listed apply just as much to websites as they do apps. I have to disable noscript a lot when it comes time to fill out what is glorified for a lot of day to day transactions. Especially anything involving a credit card these days.

I think you'll find native apps have significantly more access to your devices than websites. Just the simplest example, apps can intercept web requests. On iphone if you get a link to amazon.com through text message/email/browser, the amazon app can intercept and handle those requests. or camera, microphone, location, bluetooth, nearby interactions (uwb), push notifications, background services, photo roll, contacts…

Of course.

Any popular website, barring this one & lobsters, run a number of trackers. Likely not even needing direct device access to figure out all the things you think are private.

Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me as a user, not having notifications or having a way to easily block them is a boon. No site is sending me right now notifications, and I have yet to meet one where I'd even consider allowing them.

You don't want notifications from any chat apps?

Nope, those are the worse.

Re: Native Apps Should Be Avoided Whenever Possible

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post #27
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you'll find native apps have significantly more access to your devices than websites. Just the simplest example, apps can intercept web requests. On iphone if you get a link to amazon.com through text message/email/browser, the amazon app can intercept and handle those requests. or camera, microphone, location, bluetooth, nearby interactions (uwb), push notifications, background services, photo roll, contacts…

Of course. Any popular website, barring this one & lobsters, run a number of trackers. Likely not even needing direct device access to figure out all the things you think are private.

Users can install extensions to tame websites and PWAs, like ad blockers
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