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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by simondotau »

bulder wrote: post #12

Corporate posting in the weeks immediately surrounding a legal case or ruling impacting tech companies is definitely my favorite brand of written text. Despite not paying full attention to EU legislation, I get reliably notified by Google about every tiny bit of antitrust from them posting a "Google brings millions into the EU's [field they are getting hit with antitrust in] ecosystem" vagueblog about it.

OpenAI knows that the court of public opinion is more dangerous than a fine from a real court.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by asimpletune »

What really matters is the claim that Apple never raised those issues in the lawsuit with them. OpenAI claims the emails prove this, but to me all the emails prove is Apple sent an email that said “please see the attached letters”. We don’t know what is in the attachments but I imagine those were the relevant issues they raised.

Moreover OpenAI says, “[Apple] now admits that Apple employees reached out to him and asked for his help to locate this information”, but the transcript they cite seems to me to show the opposite? It’s Chang Liu asking for someone to help him copy data. The part where Apple employees reach out is later and it’s not for copying data to a hard drive… it’s basically “who should I talk to about this project?” Which makes sense because when he was contacted it was after he left (so he wouldn’t have access to data)

Can someone please tell me what am I missing? None of this makes sense with what they’re saying. The fact that the lawyer emailed the wrong person is moot if they caught it and resolved it days later.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by jeron »

chneu wrote: post #57
efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

This reads like a mypillow CEO type post. Its insane this is coming from a company with as much scope as openai. Scope may not be the right word.

they assume if someone wants context, they'll just ask chatGPT for it

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by mthoms »

It reads like OpenAI has been taking PR tips from the king of juvenile, ill-advised blog posts during legal proceedings — one Matt Mullenweg.

Guys, just stop posting. Listen to your counsel.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by breppp »

efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

I see it as the Anti-AI aesthetic. When you write using this style it is obvious this isn't LLM generated and you signal this is well thought out.

If you noticed Sam Altman's latest posts he moved to all lower case, including "I", which I see as due to the same reason

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by robertjpayne »

Utilera wrote: post #60
int_x wrote: post #11

To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company. They built their whole business model on stolen data and act surprised when another company has zero trust in them. Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all.

Two things can be true: OpenAI can be an aggressive company with serious credibility problems, and Apple can still have handled this case carelessly

You can carelessly leave employee access on the confidential and private company data and in nearly all cases depending on employment agreement it will be against the law to share that data after your employment

It doesn't sound to me like Apple is pursuing individuals that merely had company data on their computers but rather these individuals then went on to share said data with other individuals.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by bob1029 »

eurleif wrote: post #33

>They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after we brought this to their attention. I find it bizarre that they felt the need to specify "Asian". What does that have to do with anything?

Roughly one in five Koreans have surname "Kim".

Upward of 40% Vietnamese have surname "Nguyen".

"Li" is quite popular in China.

Specifying "Asian last name" in this context is quite apt.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by yyaakkqq »

int_x wrote: post #11

To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company. They built their whole business model on stolen data and act surprised when another company has zero trust in them. Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all.

It would be a wild defense strategy to make the point that "apple is bad at locking doors for ex-employees" (the argument to save the employee) to save them from hiring one of those ex-employers just to use his key.
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