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Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by mc3301 »

jjmarr wrote: post #81
gruez wrote: post #62

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From cbc: >In 1985, the Canadian government tried to stop Jamaican bakeries and restaurants from using the term "beef patty." >At the time, Canada's Meat Inspection Act classified a beef patty as what goes in a hamburger. It could contain only meat and seasoning and it couldn't be encased in dough or a crust. Therefore, a Jamaican patty — widely known as a flaky pastry with a spiced beef filling — didn't meet the cri…

Having grown up in Toronto, unqualified "beef patty" means the Jamaican snack. It is extremely common junk food I would buy at a convenience store on my way home from school.

Same in Edmonton, the other side of Canada.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by roncesvalles »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #198
roncesvalles wrote: post #137

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Sorry, but you're just uncultured if you don't know what Jamaican patties are. This is like saying "never in a million years would I think 'butter chicken' is a red, spicy Indian curry instead of chicken roasted in butter".

Sorry, you’re just uncultured if you don’t understand that understandings of different “foreign” cultures differ from place to place. I don’t even agree that the use of the term “beef patty” should be regulated just so you don’t confuse a dumb tourist lol. Getting something you didn’t expect is part of travelling. But YOUR comment is too condescending and hypocritical to NOT draw attention to, and it’s a type of hypo…

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally.

2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine.

It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences.

It's not even about geography. I'm pretty sure a good proportion of even Torontonians don't know about the Jamaican patty, and I'd call them uncultured too.

There's nothing wrong about being uncultured, it's not the end of the world. You can even work to improve it.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by fy20 »

UomoNeroNero wrote: post #99
UomoNeroNero wrote: post #95

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Salt-cured anchovies. They're not rotten at all—they're spectacular! They're perfect on pizza, with fresh tomatoes, and in countless other dishes, either rinsed straight from the jar or melted into a sauce while cooking. Where I live (a small seaside town), everyone makes their own jars of salt-cured anchovies. They are traditionally sealed with a loose lid consisting of a slate disc with a stone or other weight on t…

"...a delicious traditional variation, typical for example of the town of Fuscaldo in Calabria, where small oily fish are layered with salt and whole black peppercorns, or prepared with black pepper and chili peppers..." This is one of the most wonderful things about traditional Italian food: every town has its own version of almost everything. And, of course, everyone passionately defends the idea that theirs is the…

I worked in Rome for a year, and I'd say 70% of my colleuges conversations were this.

Where I live now you have 3 places to get things... depending on which supermarket chain you prefer.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by jhbadger »

inigyou wrote: post #185
gruez wrote: post #62

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From cbc: >In 1985, the Canadian government tried to stop Jamaican bakeries and restaurants from using the term "beef patty." >At the time, Canada's Meat Inspection Act classified a beef patty as what goes in a hamburger. It could contain only meat and seasoning and it couldn't be encased in dough or a crust. Therefore, a Jamaican patty — widely known as a flaky pastry with a spiced beef filling — didn't meet the cri…

Did you know in Germany it's illegal to call a product "soy yoghurt" because yoghurt is a dairy product?

Wisconsin ("America's dairyland" according to the motto, although other states produce more these days) tries occasionally to introduce bills to prevent non-dairy beverages labeling themselves "milk" in the state on the grounds that it's misleading. I always wonder if they succeed, will peanut butter be next on their radar?

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by xp84 »

overfeed wrote: post #114
dataflow wrote: post #97

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Not being from Toronto, never in a million years would I even think of that as a visitor.

How many visitors do you think would go to a restaurant intending to order a (hamburger) beef patty? The potential for confusion is overstated.

I think that type of law is usually supposed to protect against, not a surprised restaurant patron (because that's the kind of thing that would fix itself anyway, the customer would send it back and/or not go back) but subtle adulteration of food.

The law says the "patty" has to be nothing but meat and seasoning so that nobody can sell a "beef patty" that looks like a normal patty but actually is 10% sawdust (or more plausibly, some gross but very cheap filler product).

In a well-functioning government, this kind of thing could be worked out - the regulators would realize their rules were too far-reaching and culturally myopic, and that this is clearly not an attempt to sneak adulterated mystery meat past them. They could alter the regulation, like allowing the term "Jamaican Beef Patty" to be used, and that prefix removes the 'no encasement' regulation and allows whatever other common safe ingredients.

But of course, most governments don't function that well. The bureaucrats get deeply invested in enforcing their rules and no one with the authority to change the regulation can even hear the cries of those impacted, let alone change them.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by elros »

roncesvalles wrote: post #202
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, you’re just uncultured if you don’t understand that understandings of different “foreign” cultures differ from place to place. I don’t even agree that the use of the term “beef patty” should be regulated just so you don’t confuse a dumb tourist lol. Getting something you didn’t expect is part of travelling. But YOUR comment is too condescending and hypocritical to NOT draw attention to, and it’s a type of hypo…

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pret…

If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale.

In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985.

How familiar are you with food from the Amazon basin region? I wouldn't consider you uncultured for not knowing much about it, but orders of magnitude more people eat food from the Amazon basin than Jamaican food.

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Post by tkgally »

dhosek wrote: post #139
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #135

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Why would cheesemakers be smelly?

Stinky cheeses have largely disappeared from the zeitgeist, but were used to be much more common (see, for example, the Pepe Le Pew cartoon from the 40s where his would-be paramour locks herself in a Limburger cheese factory gaining a stench that puts the amorous skunk in flight).

There’s an anecdote in Jerome K. Jerome’s Three Men in a Boat (1889) about taking cheese on a train:

https://archive.org/details/threemeninboatto00jerorich/page/...

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by elros »

elros wrote: post #206
roncesvalles wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pret…

If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from…

That being said I'll gladly accept Jamaican restaurant recommendations in Taiwan or close to Berlin.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by xp84 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #202
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, you’re just uncultured if you don’t understand that understandings of different “foreign” cultures differ from place to place. I don’t even agree that the use of the term “beef patty” should be regulated just so you don’t confuse a dumb tourist lol. Getting something you didn’t expect is part of travelling. But YOUR comment is too condescending and hypocritical to NOT draw attention to, and it’s a type of hypo…

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pret…

Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/

"The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!"

"And Oxtail Stew, of course."

"Of course!"

Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at once.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by roncesvalles »

xp84 wrote: post #209
roncesvalles wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pret…

Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at o…

>Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured?

No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that.

>Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew,

Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtail stew is a popular Jamaican delicacy.

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