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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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I have not been following this very closely but it seems like the source of this cyclospora contamination has been very challenging to identify. Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms. Isn't it reasonable to update the official statement as new information emerges? "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” -John Maynard Keynes.

What changed is that right after the CEO visited the White House, a retraction was issued. This White House does not have a history of being factual, but does have a history of doing "favors" for big donors, which Taylor Farms is.

It's sad that this was heavily downvoted on HN but times really have changed in this community. What you said is just straight up true and not derogatory or misleading.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

You don't need historians to see the crisis as it was happening and as it's ongoing, the only question we need to ask is how long should the people held accountable be in prison for? For abusing democratic offices the penalty should be at least one decade in keeping up with ancient Athenian democratic traditions.

Well, I said historians because I don’t think that will happen anytime soon. The US is almost completely captured. The time to send people to prison was during the previous administration. I still cannot believe that Americans re-elected a literal failed insurrectionist

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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It boggles my mind that people would buy salads in bags. Instead of just a head of lettuce like the rest of the world.

It boggles my mind that people think that salad contains only lettuce. My world is much more flavorful than that. I like my salad with a mixture of leafy greens, maybe with some radicchio or red cabbage for contrast, and perhaps some snow peas, radishes, and shredded carrots. I can keep all of that stuff around at the house and keep it fresh and prep it all, and that sounds very nice in theory -- except, most of it w…

It’s much more polluting (why wrap salad in a plastic bag?), promotes bacteria growth (and disease like in the present case), and further removes us from food in its original form. Of course you’re to spend your money however you see fit, that’s not the issue.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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The thing about crises is by the time you’re in them, they’re gonna cost way more to clean up than just not getting there in the first place. Sounds like the lag time between going from 11 to 3 employees and having an outbreak was ~a year, so unless this is wrapped up fast enough and cheaply enough to cost less than 8 FTEs, we didn’t save a whole lot of money and we caused a whole lot of distress, so it’s hard to rea…

That ignores that point that this department only activates after the outbreak has started, so if it was increased to 100 people it wouldn’t have prevented the crisis.

The article indicates that the department responds to crises, it did not indicate that was its only function.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

Imagine how frustrated the laid off staff must be, especially if they end up either the illness themselves.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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You don't need historians to see the crisis as it was happening and as it's ongoing, the only question we need to ask is how long should the people held accountable be in prison for? For abusing democratic offices the penalty should be at least one decade in keeping up with ancient Athenian democratic traditions.

Well, I said historians because I don’t think that will happen anytime soon. The US is almost completely captured. The time to send people to prison was during the previous administration. I still cannot believe that Americans re-elected a literal failed insurrectionist

I agree, if people voted for this I wouldn’t expect any ramifications at all. People have to be so far gone to have actually wanted this that they’re not just going to change their mind.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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post #85

> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

From 11 to 3 employees. Doesn't seem that outrageous outside of such a time of crisis (since this lab seem dedicated solely to outbreaks, not research), which is when the parent entity should temporarily allocate more people.

We've discovered that ambulance drivers are only driving people to hospital for 5% of the week. As such we've cut the 20 staff that used to give 120% coverage to 5. The 4 days of coverage is still more than 8x more than needed to cover working 5% of the week, so obviously we don't expect any deaths on the days we don't have any ambulance drivers working.

In the unlikely event excess ambulance drivers are needed we'll temporarily hire them on an ad hoc basis at double the normal rate. They will obviously happily jump on this opportunity, working less than 5% of the year at double pay is much better for just those hours than being paid 60% of what you'd get as an ambulance driver in another career all year round and actually being able to afford your mortgage.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Knowing the sources of the food we eat is a very popular thing right now. Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell? All of the consumers who are motivated by this information will then be free to reward these eateries with their business. After that: Other restaurateurs will surely notice how unspeakably profitable these loyal c…

> Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell? Some people think that certain things that are not profitable are still worthwhile to society. For example, libraries and fire departments are not designed to be profitable at all, but they're established because at least some of us think they're beneficial to have despite that. A more…

Please understand that I wrote the previous comment with a heavy dose of devil's advocacy. :)

In reality, I'm a huge fan of enabling people to find reliable information (if they want it) so they can do things like make what they feel are informed decisions (if they choose to do that).

This can happen with capitalism and food. I've known a nice lady for a very long time who has run a little food truck that serves only local, organic food.

She buys what she can directly from farmers and even the mass-produced products she uses are local-enough that she can ring up the owner on the phone and get good answers to whatever questions she has. If one of her customers wants to know where she gets her salad greens or the excellent sausage that she serves, she'll just tell them. There's no secrets in that kitchen.

It works for her in her tiny little market segment, and her usual clientele appreciate her efforts enough that this has been her sole occupation for over a decade.

But doing what she does in the way that she does it is a ton of work. And it apparently doesn't scale in a way that capitalism, alone, can support.

And by that, I mean: If the Arby's down the road from my house had enough interest in being informative in this way, then capitalist tenets suggest that they'd be doing it already. They are not.

But if they should then that means scary words like regulation come into play, and that never happens without a cost.

I'm OK with helping to pay for information to be available even though I myself don't necessarily care at all on any normal day what factory my chicken sandwich was raised in, or which particular farms that this batch of lettuce was sourced from.

And I'm OK with paying more for this because some people do care about stuff like that.

Except: Every now and then, like when there's a cyclospora outbreak, I care quite a lot about it myself. I love the cold, liquidy crunch of lettuce on a sandwich and I do miss it when it's gone.

And since shit happens (sometimes, literally) we'd collectively have a far easier time of adjusting our supply chains when it happens if tracking them was more of built-in function of food distribution. Since capitalism has so far not accomplished that, then perhaps it is time to move on to other methods.

Count me in.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

It is the government equivalent of El Muskito buying Twitter and then wantonly disabling components with the assumption they do nothing.

Except no one died because Twitter malfunctions here and there.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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post #218

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It boggles my mind that people think that salad contains only lettuce. My world is much more flavorful than that. I like my salad with a mixture of leafy greens, maybe with some radicchio or red cabbage for contrast, and perhaps some snow peas, radishes, and shredded carrots. I can keep all of that stuff around at the house and keep it fresh and prep it all, and that sounds very nice in theory -- except, most of it w…

It’s much more polluting (why wrap salad in a plastic bag?), promotes bacteria growth (and disease like in the present case), and further removes us from food in its original form. Of course you’re to spend your money however you see fit, that’s not the issue.

The salad is wrapped in a plastic bag because it is useful. People exist, and some of us are gross. For instance: We don't wash our hands often enough, or properly-enough. We sneeze all over everything wherever we go.

We could get rid of the modern marvel of plastic bags, or get rid of the people instead. (I'm not a big fan of eugenics.)

Maybe I'd grow it myself and avoid all packaging and distribution problems, but the climate where I live doesn't support that very well at all and I like having salad during more than one brief period per year. Sustenance farming isn't really one of my goals in life.

And no, I do not think that my want for a salad at a time of my choosing constitutes some kind of unholy elevation of decadence. It's just a salad, and people are allowed to have things.

And the bag, itself, doesn't promote cyclospora outbreaks. It persists on things like greens, but it does not grow on them. That stuff comes from literal shit, like -- you know -- the stuff that everyone makes.

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