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Don't be a meat proxy

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Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #21

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>So how should I answer? Like a human, not like a robot. Either just present them the answer or explain them how you got it.

So if you used claude you would preface with "Claude said: "

Maybe not just "Claude said". If one of the issues is getting the right prompt, you might say what prompt you used.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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Weve been writing articles like this since 2023 and the problem only gets worse year-after-year.

I’m sorry AI purists but you have lost the argument. I know a guy who just started at my firm and he uses LLMs all day to submit his work product.

He’s getting ahead. Coworkers don’t seem to mind it.

It is time to come to grips with the fact that people are going to be “meat proxies” and be promoted over you unfortunately. Whining on HN hasn’t changed this dynamic and it never will.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #572

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You mean like when juniors would copy paste Stack Overflow without verifying or even understanding it? No. We hated that too. Actual research is, of course, fine.

I see a possible misunderstanding on my part here. My experience has typically been that engineers respond, "Claude said..." and then say what they think about it. If people are really receiving just a straight dump of AI response from their colleagues, then yeah, I would be disappointed too. But, I have no problem receiving from a colleague, "Claude says ..., but I don't know what to make of it." The embedded space…

We're all complaining about the low effort verbatim dumps, not disclosing Claude usage as part of an earnest attempt to help.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #504

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Any competent developer knows there are limits to prompting. Personally I've found LLM's suck at multi-threaded applications. (Because I've been tempted by the ~agentic loop~ and been burned. Then I hand code the core logic and all is well). Woe to the developer who tries to prompt their way through this.

Skill issue /s But seriously, lots of apps are just glorified NextJS apps which have tons of training data. Something like rust would likely churn out nonsense that compiles eventually but isn't optimal.

sKiLl IsSuE - some redditor XD

Agreed with the caveat that I think if you know what you're doing and are very cognizant, LLM generated Rust is amazing. I feel like it's hard compilation requirements gives a guardrails for a LLM and if it compiles, you're pretty safe against memory issues.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #497

It happens outside the developer world as well. People get information from Google AI mode and take it as 100% truth. In reality, blogs, reddit, and junk are often sourced link...which is fine if you inspect the sources...which some people don't! Have has examples of people AI-moding a questing and they get one answer based on how they asked. Then another person asks and they get another answer. Issue: People read wh…

I've seen it using a lot of Instagram lately too. I can't even check that source because I don't have the app installed. When I do try to check the links, they often don't support what's stated. If I call out Gemini, it says something inane like "I don't actually use these links the way a human might --- I didn't misinterpret it because I didn't even read it!" Recently I was searching for information about fig trees…

Oof, is it a fig tree or a fiddle leaf leaf tree, that's hilarious.

There's the new pelican bench mark

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #497

It happens outside the developer world as well. People get information from Google AI mode and take it as 100% truth. In reality, blogs, reddit, and junk are often sourced link...which is fine if you inspect the sources...which some people don't! Have has examples of people AI-moding a questing and they get one answer based on how they asked. Then another person asks and they get another answer. Issue: People read wh…

The problem described in the article existed for ages even before the internet. People just want to pay their bills and don't want to use up their limited cognition beyond what's minimum. For example, I work for 3 different employers. They don't know and I don't care if they find out. I use AI exclusively. I don't have Kubernetes experience but I am managing their infrastructure without issues. I will just read whate…

I mean at the end of the day, if it works, it works!

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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I think the worst is when they are skilled. You're basically describing my work day. My job went from interesting, highly skilled work to mostly horrible brain rot over the past year. It's depressing and I don't know a way out. Other then a complete career change, throwing away 30 years of experience and a matching salary.

I'm in the same boat as you... 30 years of experience writing software, and now I'm just supposed to click "approve" on PRs without reading the PR. I'm just supposed to press a button. I'm looking for a new job, but it's going to be difficult to find one in tech that isn't a complete AI-psychosis shitshow.

Same. I'm being forced into a position where I'm supposed to do everything with AI agents, not write any manual code, and only act as a reviewer. It sounds like you know the drill. It may push me into early retirement.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #601

In my life, the bigger issue are people who are not asking Claude, but asking me. Because it would take 15 minutes to find out the answer myself, and 3 minutes to let Claude find it, I ask Claude. So how should I answer? Should I disclose that I used Claude to find the answer? Or should I act like I did it myself, appearing to have super-powers that I don't possess?

When Google started taking the world by storm, and for a few years after that, I had the same problem. The way I solved the problem was by making a big show about the fact that I used Google to type in literally what they asked me word for word, and that I looked at the first couple of hits for a few seconds. Most of them got the message pretty quick. There were a few holdouts though who took longer.

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Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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I deal with this all day long at work and it’s exhausting. People almost acting like no one has thought of it “I asked Claude what happened, and it spit out this 300 line response. Can you read it for me and see if it’s right?” What kills me is you might expect this from a busy high level manager that doesn’t really understand the technical details and they just point the AI to an error they got. They don’t know how…

I will refuse to read such messages or documents. At the very minimum, i want a human-written TLDR-style summary to ensure the sender has read their own slop.

Yep. I'm categorically ignoring messages and PRs that are obviously AI written.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #608

One way to prevent obvious AI language from sneaking in text destined for other human beings is to ask the model to produce ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English bullet points. This will result in a list of sentences that are clear and explanatory, easier to double-check, and convenient for the user to rewrite into a more readable format with a human voice.

That's a great idea. I've been thinking about how to avoid having AI-isms creep into my own voice, because I see that way too much in my tech-world friends. It's natural enough: if you spend a lot of time talking to somebody, you usually end up mirroring some of their speech patterns. One idea I had was to start doing my Claude sessions in German. (That happens to be my strongest second language, no other reason.) Th…

+1 on this being a great idea. I also need to learn how to write in German (I can speak at B2 and read C1, but I find writing difficult as I've never bothered tbh). The added benefit of avoiding Claudisms is interesting. I think I'll join you on this.
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