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9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

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Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

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Post by moody__ »

BSDobelix wrote: post #29
nylonstrung wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the aesthetic and the "9" in a circle seems inspired by Death in June, who have similar Nazi-adjacent imagery, sans-serif text over reappropriate historical photos and use "6" as an icon similarly It seems really weird and misplaced for OSS

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When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone? The type of people to scream about "wokerism" are not the folks we want in our community, conversely the people who scream that we're not sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want. The system is working as designed, we take no pain in 9front not being for you.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#32

Post by bitwize »

nylonstrung wrote: post #28
Arodex wrote: post #22

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"Stairway to Anschluss" I see the 9front guys still love flirting with "nazi for laughs and giggles" esthetic...

A lot of the aesthetic and the "9" in a circle seems inspired by Death in June, who have similar Nazi-adjacent imagery, sans-serif text over reappropriate historical photos and use "6" as an icon similarly It seems really weird and misplaced for OSS

The 9 in a circle was inspired by a meme about Cirno of Touhou fame; in the manual for Phantasmagoria of Flower Garden, she is labeled "⑨ バカ", hence the memes about her being kind of stupid and having the ⑨ as her personal symbol.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#33

Post by bitwize »

vintagedave wrote: post #21
MisterTea wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plan 9 is mostly Rob Pikes idea and did not involve Ritchie heavily. https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9 Recently, Pike commented that he designed Plan 9 so he could build the windowing system he wanted. (edit: oops, link) https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4fec171fec7e3845-M2...

So that would be 'rio'?[0] I can find screenshots but haven't found much that explains how or why it's different -- what I've read explains it's not how it looks so much as how it functions, eg, each process genuinely own a console or mouse rather than getting events from the OS as you might in, say, Windows. I can't tell if I am understanding this correctly, of course. I do know that in Plan9, 'everything is a file'…

What I think you're referring to is, every process has its own view of the file system. So you can control what a process has access to simply by controlling what the file tree visible to it looks like. The upshot of this is that each process talking to rio can open a file called '/dev/draw' if it wants to draw to its window, but each process sees its own '/dev/draw' and can thereby only draw to its own window! This can't be done very well in a POSIX OS, for which the file system namespace is global; extensions like Linux containers are a (shitty) workaround for this flaw.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#34

Post by pjmlp »

MisterTea wrote: post #13
lproven wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9front is the community fork of the OS that the creators of UNIX and C did next. This is what Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson did to fix the faults in the Unix design. Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and all the other FOSS Unix-like OSes are community recreations of the flawed AT&T Unix. 9front is the continuation of the OS that came next.

Plan 9 is mostly Rob Pikes idea and did not involve Ritchie heavily. https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9 Recently, Pike commented that he designed Plan 9 so he could build the windowing system he wanted. (edit: oops, link) https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4fec171fec7e3845-M2...

Additionally, the end stop was Inferno and not Plan 9.

Rob Pike also acknowledged that leaving GC out of Alef and going back to C was a mistake, speaking of which the Plan 9 C compilers continued to be their own thing instead of blindly following the new language standard.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#35

Post by BSDobelix »

moody__ wrote: post #31
BSDobelix wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone? The type of people to scream about "wokerism" are not the folks we want in our community, conversely the people who scream that we're not sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want. The system is working as designed, we take no pain in 9front not being for you.

>When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone?

Ah, I see. Those footer flags and icons are there for ironic reasons, to poke fun at these ideas while also shining a critical spotlight on them? I see, that's the dark humor I like.

>sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want.

I'm pretty sure it's possible in Silicon Valley, but only for one month of the year. It's just performative AF.

But at least you split the Ukrainian in half and exchange it with the US one, again....that's the really dark humor i like.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

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Post by nailer »

iberator wrote: post #2

What is it? Some hobby operating system or what?

It seems unnecessary to vote this down. I'm familiar with Plan9, but it wasn't obvious from the front page:

> 9FRONT.ORG THE PLAN FELL OFF

that this had anything to do with the post-Unix OS. It looks more like a chan site.

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#37

Post by vintagedave »

bitwize wrote: post #33
vintagedave wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that would be 'rio'?[0] I can find screenshots but haven't found much that explains how or why it's different -- what I've read explains it's not how it looks so much as how it functions, eg, each process genuinely own a console or mouse rather than getting events from the OS as you might in, say, Windows. I can't tell if I am understanding this correctly, of course. I do know that in Plan9, 'everything is a file'…

What I think you're referring to is, every process has its own view of the file system. So you can control what a process has access to simply by controlling what the file tree visible to it looks like. The upshot of this is that each process talking to rio can open a file called '/dev/draw' if it wants to draw to its window, but each process sees its own '/dev/draw' and can thereby only draw to its own window! This…

That is a very nice explanation. Thankyou!

Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

#38

Post by Arodex »

BSDobelix wrote: post #29
nylonstrung wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the aesthetic and the "9" in a circle seems inspired by Death in June, who have similar Nazi-adjacent imagery, sans-serif text over reappropriate historical photos and use "6" as an icon similarly It seems really weird and misplaced for OSS

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Re: 9front "This Was Supposed to Be Fun" Released

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Post by rf15 »

moody__ wrote: post #31
BSDobelix wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone? The type of people to scream about "wokerism" are not the folks we want in our community, conversely the people who scream that we're not sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want. The system is working as designed, we take no pain in 9front not being for you.

Why 9front humor (and indifference) attracts so much confusion and hate on HN I'll never understand
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