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EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by preg_match »

yodsanklai wrote: post #82
big85 wrote: post #18

All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason, of course, is to force people to connect strong real-life identifiers to online activity. Mobile first, then Windows. Then Linux is too weak to oppose on its own, and will adapt or die.

> All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason ... Maybe I'm naive, but I think there's no deeper motivation. There are activists and politicians who really believe this is a cause worth fighting for.

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Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by dijit »

mort96 wrote: post #164
dijit wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk what kind of fascist you are, but a free society doesn’t stop talking about something because certain leaders don’t like it. In order to get legislation you want (say: gay rights) you have to risk legislation you don’t like, for some, that would be gay rights too…

Some legislation is good, some legislation is bad. Legislation allowing gay people to be gay is good. Legislation enforcing hardware attestation from Google and Apple to access services is bad. These are facts, not opinions; I'm not a moral relativist.

Literally opinions.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by preg_match »

inigyou wrote: post #156
big85 wrote: post #18

All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason, of course, is to force people to connect strong real-life identifiers to online activity. Mobile first, then Windows. Then Linux is too weak to oppose on its own, and will adapt or die.

Parental controls don't exist. Not ones that actually work. That's why governments want to do something about it in the first place.

The simplest parental control is just not giving your kid unrestricted internet access. It’s both cheaper and easier than the status quo.

I’m sorry, but if you don’t have a home computer in your living room for your kids homework, you haven’t put in any effort and I no longer care. Ideally nobody, anywhere, should care. You have to take actual steps. Very basic, easy steps.

Think about what you need technology for. To reach your kid, to do their homework. Okay. Now do you require 24/7 internet access on an arbitrary device for that? No. You can go to Walmart today and pick up a 20 dollar burner phone. But you didn’t, right? So do that first, analyze the landscape, and then I think there can be a conversation to be had.

Demanding a conversation or worse, a law, when the most basic steps have not been taken is frankly disrespectful. That’s how I view it, it’s a time wasting mechanism.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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monk_grilla wrote: post #45
jolmg wrote: post #28

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> We restrict certain activities and places in the real world from certain people all the time. For example, not allowing people under 18 or 21 (depending on your country) into casinos. These are not equivalent. Restricting access to a casino just requires showing an ID to a person. A few seconds later and that person has completely forgotten everything about you. They will not keep a record of your home address, etc…

Any time I've been in an age-restricted venue here in Australia they have taken a picture of me and my ID at the door.

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Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by mort96 »

dijit wrote: post #172
mort96 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some legislation is good, some legislation is bad. Legislation allowing gay people to be gay is good. Legislation enforcing hardware attestation from Google and Apple to access services is bad. These are facts, not opinions; I'm not a moral relativist.

Literally opinions.

Again, I don't subscribe to moral relativism. Some things are good, some things are bad.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by dijit »

mort96 wrote: post #175
dijit wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally opinions.

Again, I don't subscribe to moral relativism. Some things are good, some things are bad.

you mean the things you think are good, are good.

And things that you think are bad, are bad.

Everyone feels this way about their things.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by jimmydorry »

hellojesus wrote: post #169
inigyou wrote: post #156

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Parental controls don't exist. Not ones that actually work. That's why governments want to do something about it in the first place.

I'll take the bait. Can't you just enroll your kid's devices in your home corporate and leverage MDM to force the network to call through your proxy, which denies or downgrades all ECH and then can actively filter to an allowlist or screen the material through your personal or contracted LLM? This seems relatively solved to me.

The average Joe wouldn't know where to begin in setting that up. That solution is far from solving the problem.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by inigyou »

hellojesus wrote: post #169
inigyou wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parental controls don't exist. Not ones that actually work. That's why governments want to do something about it in the first place.

I'll take the bait. Can't you just enroll your kid's devices in your home corporate and leverage MDM to force the network to call through your proxy, which denies or downgrades all ECH and then can actively filter to an allowlist or screen the material through your personal or contracted LLM? This seems relatively solved to me.

Is this sarcasm?

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Post by mort96 »

dijit wrote: post #176
mort96 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I don't subscribe to moral relativism. Some things are good, some things are bad.

you mean the things you think are good, are good. And things that you think are bad, are bad. Everyone feels this way about their things.

No, I meant what I wrote. Some things are good, some things are bad. Some people are wrong.

There are plenty of subjective areas where people can disagree without being fundamentally bad people. These things are not those.

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