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How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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I absolutely don’t want to imply there’s any one reason that he led us to where we are. This comment isn’t to try to undercut or malign some great data and investigation. But an article on this topic that literally does not include the word union in the entire text is not painting a full picture. You can fairly point out that unions still exist in Georgia, and that the UK and other European locations have robust work…

Ok, what part then?

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A decent amount of odyssey was actually filmed on the universal backlot

Which is cool, but also likely an outlier due to Christopher Nolan's usage of practical effects vs CGI. His clout probably helped with the funding of that tbh.

They are still building new soundstages as we speak.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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The cost of housing is probably the #1 reason and, in my opinion, California’s biggest problem.

California as a whole is still doing pretty well but high housing cost is slowly pulling out the rug from under the state.

But the California legislature does know that and has forced many cities to start building housing but there is still a lot work still in flight.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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Lots of things like this have happened.

Silicon Valley stopped making computers, or any kind of manufacturing. Who knows, maybe some black projects exist.

But I was told that some underground utilities in the area were non-standard, not just water, power, sewer, but also nitrogen or more.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why though? I thought Hollywood had their own accounting rules which always meant movies made a loss. What are they paying the tax on?

Hollywood accounting rules are regular accounting rules (GAAP). The only reason “Hollywood accounting” is a thing is because of a bunch of actors who didn’t know the difference between “gross” and “net” points got screwed over. Everyone involved still pays their taxes, but the special purpose vehicle used to organize the production is essentially a passthrough entity.

If you’re not a name, you’re not getting gross points. There’s a wide swathe of participants (actors, writers, directors…) who need to demonstrate risk by taking net points to get signed, and they are routinely screwed by tactics like artificially inflated self-dealing distribution fees that cause the “production” itself to show a paper loss while the IP has generated hundreds of millions of dollars more than has been invested into it.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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I worked in Los Angeles doing animation and VFX software for 33 years, and left 5 years ago as the cost of living there made no sense, and my prospects for work became nomadic global chasing of work now taking place in countries with no or ignored labor laws. (As if labor laws are respected in the US anyway.) Interesting in relation to the article, the author describes working out of the empty Warner Bros. lot; I liv…

yeah this is what I heard from pretty much everyone in the business down there. since production has gone international LA can't compete with, say, Romania. You can ship out your must-haves and rely on locals for the rest, the savings are enormous.

There's some stuff you can still do in LA but a huge amount of actual shoot days are in countries with lower costs and fewer labor restrictions.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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An interesting read but also feels like the rearranging of the deckchairs on the Titanic given the forthcoming disruption from generative AI in this industry.

I spent some time last month with a relative in the industry (camera operator and producer) and he already uses some very sophisticated AI to map out scenes and shots in gen ai full video before they shoot IRL. It's mostly a cost saving exercise as well as occasionally helping to improve the quality of the deliverable.

He is totally expecting that the next shift will be that gen ai video will become good enough to be considered the master (ie no need to film) and he is already transferring his skills as a camera operator into prompting and AI assisted scene design.

He knows that many different disciplines he works with will all compete for that prompting work and there obviously won't be enough work for everybody to go around.

The first part of this is using human actors in front of 360 video stages like The Volume [0] to display the sets (which was pioneered by The Mandalorian) and then ultimately the actors themselves will be AI rendered.

And at this point it doesn't matter where this is filmed.

I grew up close by to Pinewood Studios 30+years ago - I can't imagine them putting a lot more investment and development into that lot given where this is all going.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StageCraft

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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I worked in Los Angeles doing animation and VFX software for 33 years, and left 5 years ago as the cost of living there made no sense, and my prospects for work became nomadic global chasing of work now taking place in countries with no or ignored labor laws. (As if labor laws are respected in the US anyway.) Interesting in relation to the article, the author describes working out of the empty Warner Bros. lot; I liv…

Super interesting, do you feel this is death by 1000 cuts or can you point at the economics no longer working as small handful of causes (i.e. rise of cost of living in LA, move towards direct to streaming rather than theater releases, AI workflows)?

I think the economics of a global entertainment and wealthy persons' playground is what is "ruining" Los Angeles. Earlier in my time there, I spent time in an uber-wealthy circle and basically encountered Epstein-class people doing what they do with the children of their own staff, and that is when I noped out of that entire social circle. There is not much that can be done when you see such wealth pursuing such agendas and you also see them with celebrities, as well as senior city and state officials. Such people are untouchable as far as the law is concerned. Los Angeles is sick with treating others as disposable, with sexual aspects included. And it is not "Los Angeles", this is human nature without boundaries.

Re: How Hollywood stopped making movies in Hollywood

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When corporations grow to a certain size, they become banks.

The same thing kind of happens to industries when they get dominated by a few large players. The large players are banks. The core of the industry becomes a form of finance.

Hollywood is now the financial capital of the film industry, not where films are made. Hollywood finances films.

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