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Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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AI would be profitable today if all companies weren't constantly racing to train the next biggest model, that's the whole reason the numbers look whack. This is basically the first time we're seeing true competition between massive tech companies, the previous state had each one of them clinging on to their own separate monopoly.

And if the training stops, the existing LLM models will fairly quickly decay in usefulness. There's no free steady-state of high-quality current models for this; it's either keep investing forever or deal with models that stopped gaining new information in 202X.

Why would they decay in usefulness?

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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AI may burst in terms of the subscription model pushed by large corporations here in the US. AI is here to stay as a technology, there is no question at this point that it is powerful effective and a transformative development in human history. Not sure where we go from here but AI is not going away.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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post #76

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AI would be profitable today if all companies weren't constantly racing to train the next biggest model, that's the whole reason the numbers look whack. This is basically the first time we're seeing true competition between massive tech companies, the previous state had each one of them clinging on to their own separate monopoly.

And if the training stops, the existing LLM models will fairly quickly decay in usefulness. There's no free steady-state of high-quality current models for this; it's either keep investing forever or deal with models that stopped gaining new information in 202X.

What do you mean? Why would new information be important ? Most models know how to search and summarize information

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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People still believe that the model intelligence has plateaud and I feel like they live under the rocks. I get the insane capex spend, I get the hype, I even get certain company will go under but to ignore the capability jump in a year is absurd.

The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?". It has not, nor moved close to doing so. People are doing great at marketing the diminishing returns as breakthroughs though.

That’s a very narrow view. So non of the fields of science and engineering matter but just cancer?

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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People still believe that the model intelligence has plateaud and I feel like they live under the rocks. I get the insane capex spend, I get the hype, I even get certain company will go under but to ignore the capability jump in a year is absurd.

The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?". It has not, nor moved close to doing so. People are doing great at marketing the diminishing returns as breakthroughs though.

> The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?".

Says who?

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?". It has not, nor moved close to doing so. People are doing great at marketing the diminishing returns as breakthroughs though.

> The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?". Says who?

AI companies themselves pitched this. It's their word.

Now no one talks about it (obviously), but I remember.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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The only honest benchmark is "has it cured cancer yet?". It has not, nor moved close to doing so. People are doing great at marketing the diminishing returns as breakthroughs though.

That’s a very narrow view. So non of the fields of science and engineering matter but just cancer?

I would accept something on the same magnitude in other areas.

AI companies promised a lot of things in the beginning. "Cure cancer", "no one works anymore", "intelligence as cheap as electricity".

Any of those would do. If the investment is sized on that, but the result is not there yet, you're being scammed.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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they never had my business; their style over all else along with the combination of planned obsolescence and conspicuous consumption are obscene misuse of the human heuristics.

They're the company that builds laptops people still use 5-10 years later. If anything they've set the standard for long lifespans when it comes to tech devices.

N=2. My Inspiron 9300 Dell laptop from 2005 still works fine, although 32bit Windows 7 with 2GB of ram without an SSD makes it painfully slow by today's standards. In addition, I got a Lenovo Z710 from 2014 (replace my 9300) that still performs great, recently put Linux Mint on it and it feels like a new laptop.

I say that to say this isn't exclusive to Apple and I think your sentiment is mostly good marketing by them. No Apple hate here, enjoying my company-supplied MBP too.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Google will win the AI war. I really don t see how things can be different. The true question is how much the involvement of Sergei Brin will have been a major part of that win. [but now that I work in a big corp, I can understand how one smart guy saying “shut the f..k up, managers. I show the path” can be extremely disruptive in those kind of environments. For the better!]

In my personal experience, Gemini seems to have the best image editing and creation capabilities but when it comes to coding, Claude is my favorite. However, Claude is slow and errors out for me often. Grok is also very good when it comes to coding but I seek to run into their rate limits much easier, so I don't use it. I only use free web version for all btw.

My comment regarding Google victory was not related to the merits of its current tooling. But to me, it is the only company with already established cash cows. and its speed of adaptation shows that it is not left behind for very long by competitors in delivering state of the art LLM models.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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I don't think LLMs can approach, in terms of transformational power, writing, printing, or even the personal computer, but I get what you're saying.

Almost all Nobel laureates of AI disagree with you but ok I get what you are saying

Appeal to authority aside, this strikes me as doubtful.
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