This is such an evil company; they should be regulated out of existence.
Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
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Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#12> Garrett: At the highest level, nothing would make me happier than if we had state-by-state regulation on this type of technology. That to me is so crystal clear, because the lack of regulation on this type of technology just shows that our elected officials need to move faster than they have historically. Agreed. We've had a lot of this - tech companies begging for tech regulation. Without the regulation it seems w…
This just reads to me like "won't someone please stop me from grinding up all these babies? If only someone would pass a law preventing me from doing these horrible things I keep doing..."
Like, you know you can just stop doing bad things, right? You shouldn't need a government telling you that maybe you shouldn't do bad things. Its as if he's saying he has no free will or executive action being the CEO of Flock, he has no way of having the company not be evil until the government gives him a rulebook.
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#13Flock (YC S17)
not a good look for YC
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#14> Garrett: At the highest level, nothing would make me happier than if we had state-by-state regulation on this type of technology. That to me is so crystal clear, because the lack of regulation on this type of technology just shows that our elected officials need to move faster than they have historically. Agreed. We've had a lot of this - tech companies begging for tech regulation. Without the regulation it seems w…
This just reads to me like "won't someone please stop me from grinding up all these babies? If only someone would pass a law preventing me from doing these horrible things I keep doing..." Like, you know you can just stop doing bad things, right? You shouldn't need a government telling you that maybe you shouldn't do bad things. Its as if he's saying he has no free will or executive action being the CEO of Flock, he…
It's hard when people are paying for the cameras. This is capitalism. Money is always the #1 priority & we have little relative to those pushing for the surveillance state.
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
YCombinator and HN would run a "Slit your mommas throat as a service" if they though there were hockey stick growth profit. Flock, and anybody who funds them are the real domestic terrorists. Anybody who destroys these devices are patriots in my book. And if I ever serve for jury duty over a case like that, they didn't do it.
> And if I ever serve for jury duty over a case like that, they didn't do it. Now you're bending facts. You can decide they are not guilty of a crime, but you can't make them have not done it.
He’s referencing jury nullification.
Juries actually can “make them have not done it”, although that’s been used for good and ill purposes.
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#16What a coincidence, John Oliver just talked about this company [1]
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#17seems like:
- cop messed up, added an incomplete license plate number (34DTM) into the NCIC database.
- Flock cameras found his fancy car, a $155k Range Rover, which had a license plate like 34DTM10, and flagged it.
- cops didn't bother checking the police report before they went in and surrounded him.
thoughts:
- as much as I dislike Flock, it seems like it wasn't at fault here. this was a scene straight of Brazil, and Flock was the typewriter. it was an accelerant, not the cause.
- police are shockingly incompetent. the individual officers, the departments, the bureaucratic systems, they're bad at their jobs. probably because they're insulated from consequences - these are people who can shoot the wrong person by accident, and at worst they get fired (QI.)
- none of this would have made the news if it wasn't a $155k Range Rover being driven by a reporter. how many people in beat-up Carollas have faced this same situation?
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#18> Garrett: At the highest level, nothing would make me happier than if we had state-by-state regulation on this type of technology. That to me is so crystal clear, because the lack of regulation on this type of technology just shows that our elected officials need to move faster than they have historically. Agreed. We've had a lot of this - tech companies begging for tech regulation. Without the regulation it seems w…
This just reads to me like "won't someone please stop me from grinding up all these babies? If only someone would pass a law preventing me from doing these horrible things I keep doing..." Like, you know you can just stop doing bad things, right? You shouldn't need a government telling you that maybe you shouldn't do bad things. Its as if he's saying he has no free will or executive action being the CEO of Flock, he…
I agree with you of course, people should be ethical. But if every human exists on a spectrum of evil good, and we can't change this, then regulation/law serves a critical function. Proper legislation should at least create an effective floor for what's possible to profit off of. Otherwise we're pretty much at the mercy of the least scrupulous capitalist - and let me tell you, they will always exist.
For AI the argument is: if we regulate ownership back to the creators then China will eat our lunch. This is a morally bankrupt position pretty much by definition.
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#19seems like: - cop messed up, added an incomplete license plate number (34DTM) into the NCIC database. - Flock cameras found his fancy car, a $155k Range Rover, which had a license plate like 34DTM10, and flagged it. - cops didn't bother checking the police report before they went in and surrounded him. thoughts: - as much as I dislike Flock, it seems like it wasn't at fault here. this was a scene straight of Brazil,…
So we should give guns to children then because it’s just a tool to defend themselves right? Or a more common metaphor, if you give chimpanzee’s a gun…
The police have no actionable method of abuse if you take Flock cameras away. They wouldn’t be acting on flagged random license plates if you took away the dragnet and surveillance system that’s randomly flagging people.
This is 100% fault of Flock.
Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop
#20> Garrett: At the highest level, nothing would make me happier than if we had state-by-state regulation on this type of technology. That to me is so crystal clear, because the lack of regulation on this type of technology just shows that our elected officials need to move faster than they have historically. Agreed. We've had a lot of this - tech companies begging for tech regulation. Without the regulation it seems w…
This just reads to me like "won't someone please stop me from grinding up all these babies? If only someone would pass a law preventing me from doing these horrible things I keep doing..." Like, you know you can just stop doing bad things, right? You shouldn't need a government telling you that maybe you shouldn't do bad things. Its as if he's saying he has no free will or executive action being the CEO of Flock, he…
This is in fact what is being said. Executives really don’t have free will. They are slaves to capital all the same. Every move is in light of furthering the interests of capital and not actual people or humanity. Hence no meaningful efforts on things like global emissions or wealth inequality. Capital’s incentives are in opposition to that.